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Elizabeth1
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Oct-31-08, 05:58 AM (PST)
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"Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
 
  
Hi,

I am on my second round of DCA. doctor says: 2 weeks on 1 week off.
I have been haveing some weird days.
Like today, this is one of the typical DCA days. I got up, and started the DCA within 1/2 hour I could hardly walk or keep my eyes open. I slept all day on the couch. I couldn't move. Feeling flu like, not able to eat only sleep sleep. I got up and held on to walls to get to the bathroom. I have had a few days like this, tomorrow I will probably be fine.

Has anyone else had this?
Maybe it is just fighting the cancer and using all my energy to do so??
I was like this last Thursday too. Next day ok.

I have: Stage 3B cervical cancer with lymh nodes involved.

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tommy
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Oct-31-08, 12:26 PM (PST)
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1. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Elizabeth,
My wife started DCA along with Temodar and Avastin. She took Temodar at night and DCA in morning and was tired all day. We switched the DCA to nightly but waited a few hours after the Temodar. Next day her energy was increased.By the way her results of Dr. visit and her story was posted yesterday by Jim in reports. I have read your posts over last few weeks and your courage is remarkable, keep up the fight. Be fighting with you.


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tommy
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Oct-31-08, 01:23 PM (PST)
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2. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Also wanted to add that she takes her DCA 1 gm daily 1 time - I think I saw where you split yours -so I dont know if this will help. Are you also taking vitamin C. We did also stop that that day because she was not as energetic.But different strokes for different folks,just wanted you to know what we did to help our situation. Hope you find your answer.I admire you and everyone like you - keep up the good fight.


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Elizabeth1
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Oct-31-08, 01:52 PM (PST)
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3. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Hi Tommy,

Thanks for your replys/compliments. I take DCA 2 weeks on, one week off. I take 3000mg per day when I take it,as per the doctors orders. These are broken up into 500mg capsules, and I take them every 3 hours till they are gone. I am up and about today, but still really shakey.

I do take vitamin C via IV therapy @ 25g 2 x's per week. + I take a whole host of other supplements. I take the ones to prevent the side effects: Benfotiamine (B-1) 80mg 2x's per day & Lipoic Acid R(+) SR 150mg 3x's per day. Although for the last 3 days I was unable to take anything, food supplements ect. I only woke up to take DCA yesterday & go to the bathroom. It must be this stuff working, I have not taken any radiation or chemo for this cancer. They had given me too little a chance for survival WITH "Treatments", so I oppted out.


Keep the faith,
I hope that your wife is doing well........you too, this is also so very hard for the caregivers, I see it in my husbands eyes.
Best
Elizabeth

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Elizabeth1
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Oct-31-08, 01:56 PM (PST)
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4. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Tommy,

Where were the tests posted? I am having trouble with the DCA site last few days. It's gone all wonky, no post where they were, and all discussion posts mixed up ect..

Eliz

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tommy
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Oct-31-08, 02:27 PM (PST)
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5. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Elizabeth,
Sending scans and mri report to Jim, he left for vacation, but he posted her story under reports and emails 1 st story listed. She is doing better and the results came much quicker with DCA than tradiional treatment previously. As caregiver I can tell you this, I feed off of my wifes strength, courage, faith and hope. In return she feeds off of mine. Hope you have a good day today and I will keep checking on your progress.


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Elizabeth1
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Oct-31-08, 02:43 PM (PST)
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6. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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Hi Tommy,

ahhhhh yes, I see it now. WOW, you both have been through so very much. I am so sorry. God Bless you in these times. I know what you mean about keeping secrets from the docs. I cannot believe that we all have to skulk about, it is rediculous.
How old are your children? We have an 8 year old, who is going on 30!!
I'll be watchin out for you two too! I'll keep you in our prayers. I wish there was something more I could do for any of us!!
I know what you mean about looking to each other. My husband always holds his breath, waiting to see if I come though. He judges by if I'll get up and do housework. Today, I dragged myself out of bed and got the day going for them, so he could have a break. LOL, I can barely stand. He needs time off too though. Take care
I'll be watchin out for you 2.

Elizabeth

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tommy
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Oct-31-08, 11:54 PM (PST)
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7. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Elizabeth,

3000 mg is that right - 3 grams a day. We are new at this but I read where side effects were prevalent with higher doses.Shaky feeling and there is also TLS u must be careful and drink LOTS of fluids to keep kidneys flushed.Sounds like fatigue could be lots of cancer cells leaving and you dont need that problem to get worse.Also could be that high dose, my Wife experienced fatigue on just 1 gram 1 time a day. You probably are wore out. We had great results on recommended dosage of 10-13mg per body weight. Im not a doctor but whats the reason for extreme dose and is your doctor aware of TLS. Never know might be helpful info later for us.My kids are (girl)17 going on 30 ( lol ) and ( boy)14.

Tommy


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Elizabeth1
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8. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Hi Tommy,

I am being treated @ Medicor Cancer Centre in Toronto. So, yes, they are aware of the correct dosing, I gather. I think you are right, re lots of cancer leaving system. I thought too about the TLS, yes Medicor is aware of the TLS too. I'll just keep a sharp eye. I hope that it is lots of cancer leaving the system. But, I suppose it is tricky to know who will evacuate what and how fast. This is always going to be a problem for anyone on this I reckon.
Nice, teens..... Just got in from LITTERALY draggin myself round several hundred city blocks for Halloween! UGG Feet up and a cup of tea.

Take Care
Elizabeth
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9. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   P.S. they do a "Standard" dosing of 23 to 25mg per kg.

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tommy
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10. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Elizabeth,
I didn't realize that you were being treated at medicor - We got application but could not follow thru because we are in America and I was afraid to mention to her doctor about plan Medicor set up to do treatment while she stayed home and her American Neurosurgeon go along with plan . He is the Head of Brain Tumor Board and a top doctor in the Midwest Region of Neuro's and did not want to jeopardize her care, not to mention we need scans and labs.You are fortunate to be in their care, keep posting ,lots of people, like me , can learn alot from your experience.When will you get results ? Do you feel better other than fatigue , is bleeding under control ?I am sorry if I seem nosey, we just started Oct.12th and there is not anyone I know doing DCA therapy,just this site and you seem to be very active in this quest.Thank you in advance for your info. and feel free to not reply to any questions if they seem inappropriate.
Tommy


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Elizabeth1
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Nov-01-08, 04:57 AM (PST)
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11. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Hi TOmmy,

Questions are no problem, I have no trouble answering you. I'm not sure if you have read my other posts?? I did have some bleeding that got out of control. My own doctor will NOT help me. (= going against the cancer centre)I also asked him to refer me to a surgeon as there is a polyp in the rectum that NOONE mentioned to me. I found out by accident, and I had trouble. He said it would do no good to refer me for the same reasons, that they would not go against the cancer centre. So, he sent me to a general surgeon. When e got there, he already had my cancer docs in hand. He refused to examine me, and told me:"Go to get some preparation H, there is NOTHING I WILL do here!" For real, my husband was with me!! Then it suddenly hit home!! We are on our own, no doctors willing to help me, as I was not taking the "Traditional" treatments. OMG! I felt this still would be ok.... DOH! Then I started to bleed as I had done many times before. BUT it got bad, really bad.... I am now into a heamoragh and not knowing what to do. I was in denial until I couldn't stand anymore and was so dizzy and winded from losing so much blood. We decided to go to local emergency room. That's when it got MORE weird!! This is taking place: October 1st to now @ the hospital October 14th..... Oct 1st RBC = 145, oct 14th RBC 105, Oct 17th RBC 94. I did not get a transfussion that day. What I did get is 2 doctors not understanding WHY I was not getting treatment, calling ORIGINAL cancer centre behind our backs and original gyne too!! I was mad. 1st doc says I needed to have IV fluids and a blood transfussion. The gyne that came in after said to me, that if she could not find the bleed inside me, there wasn't much they could do. WELL..... they could pack me, stuff me full of cloths/gauze? then I would have to have this changed often and be on continual antibiotics. The two doctors continualy pressured us, trying to make us go to the cancer centre. Saying radiation is the only CURE!!! I was getting madder and madder. The left room again, I got up and got dressed and told hubby we need to go home try to figure something else out. Then the Gyne doc came back in, said she spoke with Gyne Oncoligist @ cancer centre, he said that if they could see the bleed they could use this chemical to cauterize it. So sure enough upon exam, she could see where the bleed was coming from. The stuff she had worked to stop the bleed. They never gave me a transfusion. I went on to tell her, we did not refuse treatment lightly, NOONE @ the cancer centre EVER told us what she did that day, in regards to what would happen to me if I did NOT take treatment. She summed it up: She said you'll be @ home and basicaly have a bleed that you cannot recover from, OR the tumour would grow so big it would choke the ureters and thus cause a backflow of urine to drown the kidneys, and thus kill me via renal failure. WOW! I was in their world again. You know the one!!! We had a long talk, I told her I had NOONE to followup with, noone would test OR touch me as long as I was NOT getting "Treatments", she felt bad and slipped me her # told me to call her. She is basicaly treating me as a pallative case, in her words!! BUT BUT, when she did a physical exam on me, she said HEY! I said What>>?? she says, this doesn't look like it should. I said what do you mean? She says, it looks alomost like a normal cervix, no necrosis as I'd had in July/August. I only started on the DCA on October 2nd this year. So I said to her, then WHAT I AM DOING must be working then? No comment from her. I go to see her on Mon Nov 3rd.I think the only reason she said she'd see me, is she was shocked!


So, that's kinda the long n short of it all.... I am scared. I am shocked that NOONE will treat me. Medicor only does blood work on me. I can get an imaging test done in December sometime. I never thought that these would be MY CHOICES. So Tommy, I clearly understand your choices for you and your wife. It's a hard "Choice"

As for feeling better??? I have been sick, sleep alot, not eating. I expect it to get worse before it gets better, as they say. Just having such an awareness of the imminant things that could be, is very weird. I donot feel better, I do feel different. I think it may be driving the cancer out of me. Without tests though, it is hard to know.

This is all learning for ALL of us, I do not feel as if I own this info, simple because it is being done ON ME. I do not find your questions inappropriate either. It helps me to know someone is asking..... HEY how's it going Elizabeth?

It would seem that here in Canada, the medical system @ least where cancer is conserned, is NOT that different from the American one. Be carefull!


All my best
Elizabeth


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Elizabeth1
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Nov-01-08, 05:05 AM (PST)
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12. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   P.S. Outside of Medicor and here, we did not share that I am on DCA. I just said supplements. Medicor is already getting guff from other doctors here trying to get their licence taken away. I would only tell, it the instance that I had to get surgery. So, this would only be to the Aniste. doc.

Nite Eliz


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Elizabeth1
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13. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Hey Tommy,

Where r u today? How's things going for you @ home?
I hope you got a chance to digest my replies?

I see I forgot to answer one of your questions. I was bleeding from Before October 1st to October 14th. @ the hospital the chemical cautery they used worked till the 15th, I bled through the day quietly @ home, I prayed it would stop it kept up, I was flooded the next day then later on the 16th it stopped in the late evening. ...........
I started to bleed again a couple of days ago, but it is very lite.

Hope all is well
Elizabeth
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Elizabeth1
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Nov-04-08, 00:41 AM (PST)
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14. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Well, here I am I trod along to and through yet another day. I lay flat out on 30th of Oct. not able to move, only crawl to the bathroom. Since then I've been really shakey and getting really unstable on my feet. Today was no exception. I feel like my body is made of jello! I can only gather that my blood count is either still low or getting lower. I haven't been able to take my supplements, and eating only a little. Not like I couldn't stand to lose a few pounds!! I got to go see that Gyne who saw me in Energ @ her office today. We talked for a long while and she helped me to decide what she could help me do. She asked about imaging and if I'd been able to have any since DX, I said no. So she booked me in for a FULL CT in January!!!!! In the midterm, if I get heavy bleeding again, I can call straight to her office and go there. She will do exams on me and blood work too. Today she said I looked really pale, and ordered a bunch of blood tests.(I'm not able to drive/walk @ the moment)She will also help me to know what symptoms I need to be on the look out for in regards to kidneys shuting down and the bleeding stuff.(I feel bad that I am not telling her about the DCA & Medicor, BUT this is do OR DIE now, so tuff!) So this is a really great day. She also reconfirmed to me n hubby that when she did exam on me in emerg on Oct 14th, that my cervix looked nearly NORMAL!!! not the case a couple of months ago, it looked dead/necrotic/grey/WAY hugh & swollen/Bleeding.I'll hold my breath that she doesn't get knocked off from some medical whatever down the road, when they find out she is helping me..... Deal with it as it comes. For now, this is great. Had an IV Vitamin C @ Natropaths today and he gave me a double hit of B-12, so hoping this kicks in. (I amlooking into doing: Hydrogen Peroxide IV's & Sodium Bicarb. IV's too) This is gonna have to be done on the down low, but I think I have this guy convinced. This way I can boost bodys Alkalinity QUICKLY!!

That's me
Elizabeth Thankyou GOD, THANKYOU@!!!


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15. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Hi Elizabeth....

Been gone a few days...just busy with kids, work, taking care of Dad etc.

I am so happy to hear there is a doc willing to follow you You worried me with the bleeding and various symptoms you have shared. The news re: your cervix looking clear is awesome!!! The DCA must be doing something!!!

Please forgive my question if this was answered in a previous post but, did you ever consider a hysterectomy or was surgery out of the question? This isn't to say that I believe surgery is the answer.

Since I last posted my Dad began recovering from pnemonia and a 7 day stay in intensive care. He then developed a bad infection in the stomach from the heavy antibiotics administered in addition to mouth sores and a raw tongue....as if losing 18 lbs wasn't enough!!

While in the hospital he saw an ad for cyberknife...(as Tommy mentioned) needless to say, today he had the markers inplanted and so far all went well. However, in getting a new PET scan for the procedure a new "spot" was found on his left lung (primary on right)he will have a biopsy next week.(hate that!!) If cancerous they will implant markers in this one too. He has been off DCA for a month or so due to poor health but went back on this past Fri. and began feeling his best since being in the hospital, coincidence??? He will discontinue traditional chemo and radiation (already had 20 sessions and hated every minute) but will now use DCA, supplements and cyberknife.

So...I will update later. I am so proud of your strength and courage Elizabeth and appreciate all your input as well as everyone else contributing!!! We are all in this together in one way or another

Keep up the fight!!!
Cheers, Dianne


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Elizabeth1
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16. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   HIYA Dianne,

Nice to see/hear you again!!! Yeah, I am over the MOON re; new doc!!! In fact, x-ray just called me, I am now sched. for a full CT on Nov 20th!! I gotta go pick up the goop. Again, no I do not mind questions how r we gonna know if noone talks eh?? LOL :O I know for a fact that this doc has called and is still calling the cancer centre to speak with the Oncoligist gyny there to get his help, but first it was actualy to see if I really had cancer @ all, because of what SHE saw in emerg exam room, didn't even suggest cancer. Turns out, she studied with the ORIGINAL gyny that took the swabs, so they have been chattinas well. So now I KNOW they are bloody curious as to what I have been taking. She quietly tried to ask me what I am on yesterday!! Hubby laffed afterwards. We'll let em do their cohootin, as long as I am getting what I want/NEED.


I was staged on Aug 11th/08 with: Advanced/Invasive Squaomous Cell cervical cancer Stage 3B++ with abdomenol & para-aortic lymph nodes involved. It was inoperable. So, no hystorectomy or anything of the sort, that is all out for me. The tumour was almost 5cm with lots of additional areas involved but they cannot tell for sure. Pushing up against my bowel, so EVERY time I had a BM I almost couldn't and it made me bleed insanely!! This has changed dramaticaly! I do not feel anything anymore!!! so that's why that I guess, hope it answers the question.


OMG re DAD!!! good thing he is OUT of hospital, it is where you get MORE SICK!!!!!!. I would, if you do not mind get him ASAP on the Essiac tea, and flax oil/cottage cheese both very easy to eat/drink even when you feel crapy and cannot take anything else. Essiac will super boost the immune and help him help himself, the other is self explainatory. Make sure u mix the oil into the cheese. Tastes ok either way.


I can reccomend some more stuff you can slip him that is safe if he is not willing, that I know will help. Write more later when I look up all. Talk soon thanks for COMPLIMENT (Bobby ha ha LOL

We gotta look out for EACH other.

Best
Elizabeth

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17. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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P.S. yesterday I needed a wheelchair, couldn't walk for last week Honest. I got vitamin C IV therapy 25grams and a double shot of B-12. Today I am Mary friggin Poppins, I am skippin down sidewalk, ran today and drove son to school!!! NOT kidding!!!!!!!!

Elizabeth

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18. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Elizabeth, your story is getting more interesting by the day. I really hope that when the dust settles, your experiance will show the Doctors that DCA did the job!


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19. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Thanks! I hope it just aids some people, cause the docs I believe will never alow the changes we ALL need. IMHO.

WIth the b-12 I got in my IV 2 days ago, I was able to get up and get movin. Made a HUGH difference. P.S. ALL they moved the Full CT scan date up to Nov 20th!! from January?? Make's ya wonder WHO else cannot wait to see what?

Fifty bucks, cancer centre wanted it done sooner, that's THE ONLY FORCE that can make faster anything with CT's and MRI's in Canada. There is at minimum a 6 to 8 week wait!

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Nov-06-08, 11:32 AM (PST)
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20. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Whew! Well made it out the other end of the two weeks. That was the second DCA round finished. Geesh, back in the good old days, we'd go for shooters @ a bar. Now I run down to Natropath's clinic for B-12 boosters & iron shooters, just so I can walk around for the day LOL. I know I know not phunnie. But, crap, Joe Six Pack, I am so sick of mopin round here, one min cryin, next laffin my head off @ bumper stickers in Facebook. It's making my head spin.(that could be the DCA though??) It's like the worse friggin PMS cycle any woman EVER had, with the highs n lows and all the stuff you get to thinking about. Buddy said to me yesterday:" Everyone's like: Keep up the hope, and stay positive!!", While he & I & ALL of you know this is a HAVE TO DO, somedays don't ya just wanna smash something? I thought about gettin a ride down to a Chuckie Cheese's so I could spend $20 bucks bashing in gophers heads, but it's too far from here LOL. I mean, you sit here and think one second, what should I make for supper....... Then it goes to: can I stand up on my own 2 feet long enough to do that>? Cry/Laff..... get all weird and start to make morbid plans when they've all left the room. It's a vicious cycle, I do not wish one ANYONE! Well that's me for the Day, sorry, had to get that out. Now, I gott go to make my kids lunch for school and his breakfast before they wake up. Just another day on DCA and cancer. Oh Oh, what should I make for super>?

P.S. I can't carry on with Medicor anymore. Getting 2 expensive for me So now? dunno..... tune in tomorrow, for all this friggin joy n sorrow.

Gotta love me
Elizabeth


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21. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Hey we do love ya.
you sound just like my wife.
i will write soon an update with some pretty cool news on Rosie.( check the post "my wife's story" for a little background)
Keep on fighting and don't lose your sense of humor.
if you could hear the conversation's me and rosie have, you would'nt believe it. well you probably would.

4 beautiful kidz to take care of(all girls mind you) and a wife with cancer. what a beautiful life.

hang in there, we are fighting with you.

chrisz


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Elizabeth1
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Nov-09-08, 00:07 AM (PST)
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22. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   LOL HEY Chris n Rosie!!

Well thanks! Imagine ALL us stangers so close by this horrible thing. YET, you ask me now, Elizabeth where r your "Friends?" I'd have to say:--------------------------------------->> I DON"T know

Ya, I would KNOW the conversation you 2 have. LOL, I peed my pants last week, I was laffin so hard (about stuff we were talkin about! :O) Private IM me If u wanna know WOT!!!

I was looking long n hard, I did eventually find your WIFE post, so that's where I'm headin now.

P.S Hubby receently did time LOL>> werked in PA Bethlehem No he did't go there to see Jesus!!

Talk to me soon
Elizabeth

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Elizabeth1
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Nov-16-08, 03:51 AM (PST)
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23. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   WOW There sure was alot of POSTs scrapped er wot??


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24. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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In order to restore the Testimonials Section (that had been lost) the webmaster (not the Admin, Heather) had to use a back up from November 9th. Everything from then until yesterday was lost.


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Elizabeth1
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Nov-16-08, 04:57 AM (PST)
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25. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   It's ALL good, I wasn't plainin LOL. Just wondered!!! It was a bit to put in in first place, but I darn't post nethin else, too tiring. SOmeone hack it er wot? FLUFF OFF fda~! :O Even my personal IM's were gone waaa LOL

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Elizabeth1
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Nov-17-08, 01:36 AM (PST)
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26. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   WHOLLY crud!! I am so off my rocker.... well @ least the floor has been handy.
Still bleeding. Not been able to eat since last Tuesday. NOT taking DCA either. I was suppose to start back on it on 12th>? I had had 3 couch days prior, couldn't walk eat ect ect. THIS was on the WEEK off!! I am not blaming anything PROBABLY evil cancer fighting back!! that's what I figure anyway. I was out n about on THursday/Friday BUT I am not sure under who's steam? Sat had IV vit C * double B-12 NOT enough, went for a drive and when I got home, I could hardly walk. Noone here, opened door feel on floor. So got in JIT = just in time. :O laid here in a heap for HOURS after that, Sunday today. Had a WHOLE 5 hours sleep last nite, got up coffee, then I couldn't walk upstairs. I'm a freakin mess. Went into some kind of halucinations earlier this evening. GOt up off couch crawled to bathroom and fell on floor. John got me back to couch, I couldn't put legs up OR head. My liver is deffinately inflamed I am having alot of pain there, john had to hold my head up so I could drink...... So I do not know what the hell is going on man, I am back to couch, better than b4, bt nop power.....I am empty, beggin God tonite, askin what have I done that I need ths too? WHATTTTTTTTTTT As if all the other from my "Life" wasn't enuff. I am not blaming him that's for sure, cause it will be only him that MAY itervene to help me stop all this krazyness......... maybe

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Elizabeth1
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Nov-17-08, 01:52 AM (PST)
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27. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Hi,

It's been awhile............. I am a freaking mess down here. I need some help PLEASEEEEEEE. This isn't going how I figured so NOW, I am begging you, Please HELP. NOT for me, for my lil son.... Matthew the one we promised YOU, that we would LOVE, take care of, nurture, teach and hold out to the world as you would have him. AM I not doing this? I know I was a rotten kid, that is maybe why all of those other things happened. I don't know. I want to make it all right, but I need you........ Please Dear God, I know you will NOT forsake me as they have done. This is NOT your fault, it is mine.
I continue to not learn and be the good person you expect me to, but I want to try. I was headed there, but it's this whole time thing you put on us!! We are at a loss as how to get more... Wasting all that we have, we have become experts at. I do not want to live that way anymore. PLEASE, I will NOT ask for strength as it could mean more tests. I have had enough of those. I will ask you please to pick me up and deliver me from evil, to help me to forgive those who've trespassed against me and whom I've done the same to...... I will beg you to help me to take out my garbage, as I have left it inside for far too long, it has made a bed inside of me that I HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO RID myself of it. I think this is what I need to ask for now Lord. If I am wrong, as I have been MANY of my lonely days, please forgive me. Elizabeth AMEN


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Nov-17-08, 09:18 PM (PST)
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28. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Hi Elizabeth,

I wrote you in two other posts which were part of the ones deleted...anyhow...now you're really worrying me! Please call the doctor who said she'd help. You really need to get the bleeding under control!! Also, could the bleeding be from the large amounts of DCA or has this always been an issue?

Dad had one good week since getting control of the bacteria in his gut from the antibiotics. I took your advice and got the flax oil, cottage cheese, etc. Thank you for your help!! I was going to look up the site you referred for the cell repair but it was part of the posts lost. If you have the chance would you send me the site address again? Sounds interesting.

Again, please try to get help from your doctor. I'm sure the heavy blood loss is casusing havoc to your whole body.

Keep up the fight Elizabeth!!!!

Talk to u soon, Dianne


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Elizabeth1
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Nov-17-08, 11:29 PM (PST)
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29. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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Hi Dianne n Dad!!

Glad to hear DAD is gettin on the mend from the hospital!! KEEP up BOOSTING his immune, this will help HIM to fight his own insides.

I have been @ the hospital ALL day LOL. I went to pick up Ct contrast in different town. When I got there, I had to walk from way far in parking lot. SO I was litterly lookin like I was drunk, winded, wobbling. FRIGG an 70 year old man tried to help me into hospital. I wobbled down to CT got gop and asked where emerg was. I knocked over a sign, and wobbled down hall till I found it. that was @ 9:40am this morning, I left there @ 4pm!!! I WENT only in concern for liver inflamation. THey took me in, poked me, peed in a cup, blood and an ultrasound. ON US they did NOT see anything in Ab!@!!!!!!!! that s great!!! Hemaglobin only raised up 6 points since Oct 14th!! not great, it is suppose to go up 10 points per week.
, when they DO NOT give you a transfussion. BUT I have been bleeding, THIS is a regular thing with it. Also I have not eaten since last Tuesday. I think I know what is going on. LOL In my delerium. It is called Cachexia = advanced cancer anorexia. This starts something called: Glouconoegenisis = Cancer makes lactic acid, LA goes to liver to make into gloucose, gloucose feeds cancer and it goes back n forth like this and so on. SO, I gotta find a way to make me eat. I am not complainin about weight loss LOL = 20+ lbs since I was @ Medicor last (Nov 5th). Anyway, I'll figure it out. Bleeding will always be there. I have been noted that whatever cancer we have, seems we get a BLEED. The DCA works so well, it shrinks tumors and leaves the blood vessels to bleed. SO for Brain cancer peeps, this is a HUGH problem!! If they SLOW down tumor shrinkage, I think better so brain can reabsorbe blood in smaller amounts and NOT bleed to death. Therefore, halvin DCA would make sense>> neway, I am UNDER control? thanks for asking, here are websites for you to read on: Paw Paw, Essiac, IP-6

Here is the website again re: Paw Paw Cell Reg.>>>

Going to add next week: Paw Paw from Brazil, I understand that there is only one scientist that has been allowed a patent to use this. This is the website that I will be ordering from:
http://www.healthy-sunshine.com/nspshopping/shopexd.asp?ID=692
I have not been able to find this in health food stores, but with the ONLY manufacturers Co. name available, you may be able to.This is a description of the product:

Paw Paw Cell-Reg™ selectively targets specific cells to enhance the overall health of the body. Paw Paw twigs contains acetogenins-active compounds that modulate the production of ATP in mitochondria of specific cells, which affects the viability of specific cells and the growth of blood vessels that nourish them. A recent clinical study with over 100 participants showed that the paw paw extract, containing a mixture of acetogenins, supports the body's normal cells during times of cellular stress. Paw Paw Cell-Reg is a valuable tool in strengthening and supporting the immune system. This patent-pending product is the only standardized acetogenin product available to regulate specific cells. Each capsule contains 12.5 mg of standardized paw paw twig extract. Take 1 capsule with food four times daily. Do not take with Co-Q10, Thyroid Support, SOD or 7-Keto™. Do not exceed the number of recommended servings. Only those who desire to target specific cells should take this product on a regular/daily basis.>>>>

Also:
The Paw Paw tree is native to the eastern United States. The paw paw standardized extract is taken from the twigs of the Paw Paw tree where the bioactive components called annonaceous acetogenins are most concentrated.
•Patent Pending
•Selective for Abnormal Cells
•The Only Standardized Acetogenin Product Available
•Slows the Production of ATP in Mitochondria of Abnormal Cells*****
•May Help Modulate the Growth of Blood Vessels Near Abnormal Cells******

ALSO, you gotta cook this, but will really BOOST immune & energy:
http://www.essiac-canada.com/ Canadian Objibway product since 1922 go read story interesting. info@essiaccanada.ca
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi39.html

Check this out re product called: IP6 Available in Canada, cheap, nontoxic>>IP6 = Inositol Hexaphosphate {Supports Natural Cell Defense} this is also boosted if you eat or drink green tea with it!!!

Take Care
Thanks for concern, I am ok as always
Elizabeth

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Elizabeth1
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Nov-17-08, 11:43 PM (PST)
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30. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   P.S. I am not taking DCA. I have ordered some, waitin. I was suppose to start back on Nov 12th, I just haven't been right, so I am off everything..
Eliz

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Elizabeth1
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Nov-19-08, 11:58 AM (PST)
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31. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Well, here I am been pretty screwed up last few days weeks hours?? Mentaly but more physicaly....
I HAVE not been taking DCA OR supplements, went with no eating from last Tuesday to last night. Hubby bugged the crap outa me till I ate. I feel a bit better this am. Just haven't been able to eat. I have ongoing liver inflamation I can feel, this is probably where not eating coming in... neway ya, so here i am nk.

Yesterday I went to Ortho doc @ hospital for regular appointment. My ankle that I broke in 2 places in MARCH is STILL not healed. SURPRISE!! @ that time it was casted 2 months, off April end.... NOT healed, booked for surgery. End of May Carpal Tunnel surgery, then end of August they took me in had a 10 cm plate put into ankle with synthetic gop to fill gap in bones and 7 screws, 14 staples and 2 more months in a cast..... NO HEALING, so now ?? dunno, seems the lesser of the problems anyway YA> LOL

Elizabeth I rolled into Natropaths office, with ACDC screaming (THUNDERSTRUCK) Fell Out onto the tarmac LOL, they come runnin out, wot u doin Lizbeth? I was like DUDe......I neeeeeddd BbBBBBB---12 hurry, I'mmmmm meltinggggggg He HITs me with a doulbe shot and I lay there ON TARMAC, and am like ahhhhhhhhh B-12 Junkie LOL NOT kidding


tee hee OH the life I lead....

Well I'm doin wot today> Oh ya going to up the Vit C IV therapy to 50g

Talk soon
Have a good one
Elizabeth


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Elizabeth1
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Nov-20-08, 10:54 AM (PST)
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32. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   3 months.....9 days........since dx with this!!!!! !Nightmare ( I think I said last month that I am NOT @ the whole " Cancer is a blessing" thing!!)

CT Scan today


Going to have to wait for results, maybe a month!!!

I have my chem labcoat in closet upstairs, n figured I could make hubby be in the booth to observe..... make somethin up...but there is no time to teach him what he is lookin at.

I may sidebar girls, prior to CT to see what I can get them to tell me. Explain what's going on and see what comes.

Otherwise, I am going to have to wait for results to be defined by a radiologist and sent back to Reg, Gyne doc.... WHo, will not have the best clue about what is goin on there.


Hmm, ok well it's me.... over n out
ELizabeth


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Elizabeth1
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Nov-24-08, 11:15 AM (PST)
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33. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   WEll I was unsure if I should post nemore in this....
I was suppose to start on round 3 of DCA on Nov 12th but, with all that's gone on I felt I could not.
Today is Monday November 24th and I am still having liver inflamation (I am useing a detox to get under control) I know that's working due to extreme itching and pain is less in side.
I have been able to eat last few days, which makes hubby happy!!
I spent yesterday asleep on the couch. Heavy bleeding over last few days. THIS IS SOMETHING that will continue to be MY norm. as with ALL cervical cancers. THe Viacong STOP bleeding tabs work, but due to the location of my bleed, it is difficult to HOLD it.
I think the worst is: having cronic anemia >From disease and then the bleeds ontop of it all. Makes DOING anything nearly impossible! Try to stand to do dishes or make a meal or get up o my own to go to the bathroom....... forget it.

So, in asking the question: SHould I resume DCA? I think I have also answered same....NO I will wait it out. Having a liver disease ontop of it all, if I get into the position that I would need a liver transplant I WOULD NEVER GET ON A TRANSPLANT LIST. So I will chilaxe for a spell and see what comes out the other side.

Going to call: "Empathetic Emerg Gyne" this am, see if they got CT results back and if they can see me to plug this bleed.


Let ya know
Keep it on the sunny side
Elizabeth


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jamesawick
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34. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Elizabeth
I'm so sorry to hear about a liver problem. I would follow
your doctors recommendations. get it cleared up. a surgeon
told me once you only need 10 percent of your liver to live.
About the DCA. If you feel it would make things worse, dont
take it I would think that a very low dose of about 6 or
7 mg/kg would have very little effect on you but would
kill some cancer cells. If your DCA is in capsules, you
would have to break one or two apart and if you know
how many mg you have, you can cut the strength in water
and measuring cups with water. You probably know this
but i thought id throw that in. Your in my prayers.
jamesa


JAW's


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dimitrisk
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Nov-25-08, 10:40 AM (PST)
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35. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   I agree with these sugestions. I think DCA dose is too high. However, I don't beleive liver problems are related with DCA.

Also, I would recomend starting LDN asap. Unless, it is not compatible with some other medication you take.

Anyway, let's see Cut Scan results and then you can make better decisions.


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Elizabeth1
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Nov-25-08, 10:49 AM (PST)
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37. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Hiya,

Ya, not sure really??? YA, CT Scan would be nice to see this year eh? Right now taking VERY little of anything. Doing a bit of Liver detox to reduce inflamation: Dandelion greens/roots in juice and some good Natropathic caps.

Thanks Again
ELizabeth


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Elizabeth1
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Nov-25-08, 10:46 AM (PST)
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36. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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Thanks JAWS>>>

I um, have HEP C, but I think this is also unrealated to the DCA. I do not have a doc. ALL my DCA is now powdered, so I may be brave n try a little.

Does it taste weird? never had it straight up on the rocks?? I suppose I could add it to my juices ya??

Thanks
Elizabeth


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Elizabeth1
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Nov-27-08, 07:36 PM (PST)
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38. "RE: Is the DCA working? Is this Why I feel like this?"
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   Nuttin new here. No call from Doc. Weekend is upon us, so I figure nothing until next week.
GOt a nasty head cold. I ate something I shouldn't have last nite, and ended up in an unwakeable couch coma. Bleeding is lite, there but Lite (AGAIN, this is reglar & "Normal") for this disease. Had an OK 2 days prior, but hard to move today.

I was going to wait the weekend and then try to restart the DCA. Play it by ear.

Later
Elizabeth

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