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Arek
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Dec-23-08, 01:30 AM (PST)
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"Is black tea really encouraged with DCA?"
 
   I see a lot of people mention that it is beneficial to drink black tea while taking DCA and yet this is what I have read on the
Medicor Cancer Center website : "DCA and Caffeine
We have received a large number of inquiries about caffeine following some anecdotal reports of enhanced DCA effect with excessive tea/caffeine intake. After conducting a limited review of our DCA patients, we have noted that patients who have shown an excellent response to DCA do not take tea/coffee or caffeine or take it in minimal amounts (1-3 cups a day). Also a few patients with high tea/caffeine consumption (5- 10 cups per day) have shown no response to DCA.

There are a number of potential harmful effects of starting high dose caffeine including increased likelihood of seizures in brain tumour patients, abnormal heart rhythms, anxiety, and insomnia. The theory behind the potential benefit of caffeine + DCA is unconfirmed so we are taking a cautious approach for now. We are presently recommending to most of our DCA patients who are thinking of starting high dose caffeine to use moderation and to check with your own doctor, naturopath or dietician for specific advice."


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Sandra
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Dec-23-08, 08:05 PM (PST)
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1. "RE: Is black tea really encouraged with DCA?"
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Arek,

Right now DCA is experimental, and we are all learning and discovering new things about it. I would suggest you also read this page:
http://www.thedcasite.com/DCA_protocol/DCA_Tea_Protocol.html

It is thought that perhaps caffeine boosts the efficacy of DCA (as it does with some other drugs, like aspirin). If this is true, then a lower dose of DCA can be used. This may be the case, since many people are reporting that DCA has worked for them at dosages between 10-15 mg/kg/day.

Take care,
Sandra


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billn
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Dec-23-08, 09:57 PM (PST)
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2. "RE: Is black tea really encouraged with DCA?"
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Tea contains caffeine, which is a CYP1A2 inhibitor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP1A2

(track down the page - there is a blank area).

This means it inhibits CYP1A2 production and also "uses it up" temporarily. You'll see from the link that CYP1A2 metabolizes a whole range of drugs and substances out of the body (so stopping levels becoming toxic). Other important companions are CYP2E1 and CYP3A4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP2E1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP3A4

As Sandra implies, the caffeine improves the efficacy of DCA because with CYP1A2 inhibited, it is not removed as quickly from the system and a lower dose may be as effective as a higher dose (if the CYPs' are not inhibited).

My own (and completely non medical) pet theory is that inhibiting of CYP1A2 also allows the caffeine/theophylline to stimulate Cytochrome C production (look at apoptosis paragraph).

CYP1A is an inhibitor of Cytochrome C

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytochrome_c

Obviously, the body isn't stupid, so when CYP1A2 is inhibited, the other family members such as CYP2E1 and CYP3A4 chip in to metabolize and remove substances from the body.

Sandra - this is why I was interested in Ranitidine and Cemitidine - inhibition of CYP1A2/2E1/3A4 - note that quercetin and grapefruit juice are also inhibitors of 3A4.

Possibly, if CYP1A2/2E1/3A4 are inhibited, then the DCA and caffeine may be much more effective.

One major warning though, I would definitely not attempt to globally inhibit these cytochrome's activity if you are on medication without consulting your oncologist.

Billn


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