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Deb Ontario
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Jun-07-08, 02:36 PM (PST)
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"DCA and Lemon juice - mix the 2 together???? - Oracle a"
 
   Hi guys,

I have noticed that some of you promote lemon juice to alkalize the system. I am wondering if it is OK to mix the lemon juice directly with the DCA and water and can you store it this way??

I notice on one post that Oracle seems to think the lemon juice made the DCA more effective with Lien's cancer. I would like to try this for my dad ( who has NSCLC stage 4, secondary tunour in spleen).

However, I live at a distance from my folks and don't see dad every day. I manage to get up there once or twice a week - lately all I can manage is once a week. When I am there I mix up enough DCA and water to last a week and dad takes it as prescribed. he's been taking DCA for 1 1/2 weeks so far (weekends off).I KNOW that mom is not going to squeeze lemons every day to give to dad ( just too much on her plate as it is - with dad's supplement/meds and dad's colostomy bag) So, the only way we could do this is if I mix the lemon juice with the dad's weekly supply of DCA and water store it in the fridge.

So, Oracle or anyone else,,,,I'd like to hear whether you think this is a good idea or not???? Dad is taking 10 mg/kg DCA a day, so what would the recommended amount of lemon juice be? Also, my chosen sweetner would be honey.

(just curious, but does anyone know of any research that shows that concuming alkalizing foods actually ends making the blood more alkaline?? and not just the urine/saliva??)

thanks to all
Deb


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Jun-07-08, 09:29 PM (PST)
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1. "RE: DCA and Lemon juice - mix the 2 together???? - Orac"
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   Any enhancement citric acid or lemon juice adds to DCA is very probably after both are absorbed, not due to being mixed together.

Mixing them together and storing invites interaction with unpredictable effects. K. I. S. S.

Fresh squeezed lemon juice loses some of it value if not fresh, is my guess, like most fresh food.

Whether lemon juice, fresh or not, really helps DCA, is there any evidence? If it helps, why and how?



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2. "RE: DCA and Lemon juice - mix the 2 together-why-how"
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Good Question and I guess the only reponse for me is 50% tumor reduction in 4 weeks when we started drinking a lot of lemon water and doing both - drinking it down in a couple swallows with filtered water and a coffee chaser and also mixing it into the lemon water and taking in that way.

No way I can give scientific proof but I like the idea of astringents like lemon acting on tissues when saturated over a period of days. Throw DCA in with an alkaliner and we hit some magic at least for now.

The safest bet for us /Lien and I is to knock it back and drink lemon water throughout the day. I am positive that works or worked for us and still does. Its a bit of tough one to decide on at times.

God bless
O

Oracle


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7. "RE: DCA and Lemon juice - mix the 2 together-why-how"
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   >Good Question and I guess the only reponse for me is 50%
>tumor reduction in 4 weeks when we started drinking a lot of
>lemon water and doing both - drinking it down in a couple
>swallows with filtered water and a coffee chaser and also
>mixing it into the lemon water and taking in that way.
>
> No way I can give scientific proof but I like the idea of
>astringents like lemon acting on tissues when saturated over
>a period of days. Throw DCA in with an alkaliner and we hit
>some magic at least for now.
>
>The safest bet for us /Lien and I is to knock it back and
>drink lemon water throughout the day. I am positive that
>works or worked for us and still does. Its a bit of tough
>one to decide on at times.
>
>God bless
>O


Thanks for sharing this.

Apple Cider
Vinegar


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3. "RE: DCA and Lemon juice - mix the 2 together???? - Orac"
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Deb,

If you want to try the lemon juice, but don't want the hassle of squeezing lemons, I'd suggest you buy ORGANIC lemon juice. It is exactly the same as fresh squeezed, no additives. Just keep it in the fridge and add a little to the DCA water right before drinking it.

Take care,
Sandra


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Deb Ontario
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Jun-09-08, 01:38 PM (PST)
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4. "RE: DCA and Lemon juice - mix the 2 together???? - Orac"
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   Satx, Oracle and Sandra,

Thanks for your responses,

I shall not mix the two together, as, as you say, Satx, they may interact.

I WOULD to see some research that shows alkaline producing foods acutally make the body (and not just the urine/saliva) more alkaline. If this is the case, then possibly there may be a link in lemon juice synergizing DCA???? However, since there is no harm in taking lemon juice, Oracle, I shall follow your protocal and advice. You have certainly seemed to have some great results!!!

Sandra, thanks for the tip on Organic lemon juice. I shall get some, it will make mom's life easier. Lord knows,,,, she would not remember nor go through the hassle of squeezing lemon juice every day.

cheers and strength to all
Deb


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5. "RE: DCA and Lemon juice - mix the 2 together???? - Orac"
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   "I WOULD to see some research that shows alkaline producing foods actually make the body (and not just the urine/saliva) more alkaline"

A healthy body maintains a homeostatic serum pH value of slight alkalinity within a very right range around, I think, 7.4. +0.05 is alkalosis, -0.05 is acidosis, both pathological. A large tumor load will cause acidity as cancer's glycolysis dumps an excess of lactic acid. Acidosis and acidity is neutralized/buffered by cannibalizing calcium from bones and teeth, a horrible situation for patients on hormones that cause ostopenia and osteoporosis.

I think the best you can do with with and supplements is to tend to be on the high end of the the range of serum pH.

Whether a lemon/day is sufficient, I don't know. Taking citric acid powder or vinegar should alkalize as well as fresh lemon, which is only 5% citric acid.

Mg and K are often deficient in cancer patients (and general population). Both are alkaline. Mg and K supplementation should probably be 2x the typically very low RDA. Note that I fixed my lower-leg edema a few months ago with Mg and K supplements, within 3 days.

If only a couple lemons/day provides a noticeable difference, I'd say the person is very acidic, responding to only a few drops of citric acid, and would benefit more from more aggressive and diverse alkalizing tactics. A fresh, plant food diet is best basis for alkalizing, while avoiding all acidifying food.

But, that's serum pH, not cancer intra-cellular pH. Who knows?

Don't feel stupid. Oncologists and my urologist are flying blind, also.



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Deb Ontario
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Jun-11-08, 01:50 PM (PST)
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6. "RE: DCA and Lemon juice - mix the 2 together???? - Orac"
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   RE: Whether a lemon/day is sufficient, I don't know. Taking citric acid powder or vinegar should alkalize as well as fresh lemon, which is only 5% citric acid.

thanks for the info. I shall try the citric acid.

Re; Don't feel stupid. Oncologists and my urologist are flying blind, also.

Well, I've never worried about looking stupid. If you don't ask questions, you will stay in the dark.

Deb



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