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John G
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Mar-01-07, 11:55 PM (PST)
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"Probable source for Pet DCA"
 
   There is a website www.buydca.com which is apparently going to be selling Pet DCA for cancer treatment. The site is not yet functioning. I emailed them and got a reply from Jim Tassano. He said they have had some difficulties launching their "massive project" but that deliveries could start today. I think they will need a few days then will be swamped with orders.

My dog has a type 1 mast cell tumor. I want to try DCA but have not located a source which will sell to me. Hopefully this buydca site will pan out. Perhaps not. If anyone else finds a source please email me.

John


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eitek1
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Mar-02-07, 03:58 PM (PST)
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1. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   I have purchased this product this morning. Well I have paid for this product this morning. If I get it or not will be another matter. Is there anyone out there that can suggest a test for purity or some way that I can tell that I am getting the acutal product. The reason that I say this is on the website they refer to their product as.

"We make Pet-DCA from Dichloroacetic acid, 98%. Dichloroacetic acid is synthesized by mixing the precursors and using light to drive the synthesis. 98 percent of the resultant product is dichloroacetic acid, 1% monochloroacetic acid and 1% trichloroacetic acid.

Our conversion of dichloroacetic acid to sodium dichloroacetate produces the same aqueous (water) solution you would get when dry sodium-salt dichloroacetate is added to water. And for much less money."

This seems to me like they would be selling a liquid. I am not sure. On their online store they are selling a dry substance. I hope and pray that this is the proper stuff.

Can anyone here comment on this matter.

Administrators?


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squareb
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Mar-03-07, 02:04 AM (PST)
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2. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   Sodium dichloroacetate is a white crystal. If it is liquid, then it is dissolved in water. To test the authenticity of your dichloroacetate, any college lab should be able to help you. I do not recall the exact melting point of sodium dichloroacetate, but I think it is about 140 degrees Celsius. A small amount of the chemical to be tested is put into a glass capillary tube and is put in a device that shows the temperature of the tube as it is heated. If it all melts within a degree of the melting point, it pure and the right substance. Melting point devices are often not well calibrated, so the melting point you may get may be a few degrees off. If the melting point is very different than the published melting point, it is not the right substance. If it gradually melts within several degrees, it is not pure. The decomposition point for dichloroacetate is very close to the melting point, so it will not return to it original form after it is cooled.

I will try to get you the published melting point of sodium dichloroacetate next week.


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eitek1
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Mar-03-07, 04:52 AM (PST)
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4. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   SquareB
Thanks for the info. Due to the shipper sharing the same last name as one of the administrators on this site I can only belive that I purchased from the supplier hosting this site.

When I get it I will test it myself. I repair measurement equipment for a living so I should be able to pull off testing the melting point with stuff I have around house. I am the worlds biggest nerd, I know that. I will be on the look out for the melting point of DCA as well. Please post it if you come across it.

I tried to go the route of getting a prescription for my father but the doctors aren't buying it. My father chose not to take any treatment since his cancer is so advanced and he has seen too many of his friends suffer terribly.


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squareb
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Mar-03-07, 03:19 PM (PST)
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5. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   From the Sigma-Aldrich site the melting point of sodium DCA is 198 degrees Celsius. I will check with my chemist what other published melting points are. Impurities will lower the melting point.

Another clue that you have pure sodium DCA is that when dissolved in water the pH is nearly neutral.


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squareb
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Mar-06-07, 02:28 AM (PST)
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11. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   My chemist confirms that the melting point of sodium dichloroacetate is 198 degree Celsius. About two percent impurity from ethyl alcohol will reduce the melting point to about 194 degrees.


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Hopeful
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Mar-03-07, 03:07 AM (PST)
 
3. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   Sodium DCA for humans can be purchased in Edmonton, Alberta through Market Drugs Medical. You will require a prescription from a physician (medical doctor). Ron is the pharmacist and he can be reached at 780-422-1397. I believe the cost is in the neighbourhood of $2.00 per 500 milligram capsule.


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Diana
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Mar-03-07, 03:39 PM (PST)
 
6. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA-780-422-1397"
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   DCA contributors

Thank you for everyone's efforts. Its like being caught up in a hurricane of INformation, and finally, inside the eye. The information is getting more clarification.

My mother is waiting for news from me on DCA, and I am so excited to have this information. I am so happy this morning. :d and I cannot wait until my sisters and mother get up to tell them this news about the pharmacy. The next hoop is the prescription!!!!!

Question: Can a homeopathic prescribe sodium DCA?

Question: How can I convince Veterian to prescribe DCA?
My pet (Jet is a flatcoated retriever) was finally diagnosed with a hard to diagnosis disease of histiocytic sarcoma. As with doctors, veterinarian doctors are saying to me "Do no harm". I spent $3000 to date, just to get this diagnosis. Today he is in a 72 hour period to survive hemalotic anemia. He was put on Luminstine on Thursday. I have no idea if NA DCA actually will work with HS, but its worth a try. The disgusting thing I learned is that 75% of all dogs, outside accidents, die of cancer. Why wouldn't Vet Oncology Labs be clamouring to try trial studies on other animals...canines having that amount of cancer translates in $3000-$5000 for diagnosis to treatment and then death. I was told my 1st month of canine chemo for Jet is $1500. Imagine if it was NA DCA ... I have to figure out a way to get DCA ASAP for Jet. Four weeks ago, Jet was sick but no signs of any cancer. Now its full in his spleen, liver and at least 30 in his lungs. Crazy.

My mother is waiting for news from me on DCA, and I am so excited to have this information. I am so happy this morning. :d

>Sodium DCA for humans can be purchased in Edmonton, Alberta
>through Market Drugs Medical. You will require a
>prescription from a physician (medical doctor). Ron is the
>pharmacist and he can be reached at 780-422-1397. I believe
>the cost is in the neighbourhood of $2.00 per 500 milligram
>capsule.


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Sandra
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Mar-03-07, 06:23 PM (PST)
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9. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA-780-422-1397"
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In Canada, a homeopathic cannot prescribe DCA. In the US, I'm not sure if you need the dreaded IND number to have a veterinarian prescribe it. If not, you should be able to order it from www.buydca.com


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Hopeful
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Mar-03-07, 07:44 PM (PST)
 
10. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA-780-422-1397"
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   The phone # of 780-422-1397 in Edmonton, Alberta is for a pharmacy and they sell Sodium DCA for people, not animals. They require a prescription from a medical doctor, not a naturopath or other. Ask for Ron in pharmacy.


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Joann
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Mar-03-07, 05:21 PM (PST)
 
8. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   Is this pet-DCA formula pharma grade and ok to try?


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Andrew Yassin
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Mar-06-07, 06:46 PM (PST)
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12. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   Please see to it that you post on the boards when you do get the product.

I have just emailed them with a few questions. Hope to get feedback soon.

Be well,

Andrew Yassin


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Diana
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Mar-09-07, 02:08 AM (PST)
 
16. "RE: Pet-DCA & thedcasite.com"
In response to message #12
 
   One and the same. I am waiting for my purchase to come from California to Kamloops, BC Canada.


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susan
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Mar-10-07, 04:27 PM (PST)
 
17. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   I received my order for pet dca from the buydca.com site two days ago.


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rtshinn
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Mar-10-07, 04:44 PM (PST)
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18. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   Me too


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ruth4pa
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20. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   Please let me know what amounts of dca I should give my 11 yr. old cat, as he has sarcoma? I purchased potassium dca how do I mix it/ amount wise. I also need amounts for myself. 56 yr female ov. ca. thank you Ruth

Ruth


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Sandra
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Jul-30-08, 03:22 AM (PST)
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21. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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Dosage is by weight. Here's a link from the main part of the site with instructions:
http://www.thedcasite.com/dca_dosage.html


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Diana
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Mar-03-07, 03:47 PM (PST)
 
7. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA (?almost pure?)"
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   Dear DCA Contributors,

Can anyone explain *almost pure* Dichloroacetic Acid for me?
See DCA info from www.buydca.com site below.

Thanks
Diana
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DCA (Sodium Dichloroacetate) Experimental Treatment for Terminal Cancer in Pets and Livestock
* For Veterinary Use Only *
* Not for Use by Humans

http://www.buydca.com/


About Vet-DCA
We make Vet-DCA from "almost pure" Dichloroacetic Acid, 99+ percent. Dichloroacetic acid is synthesized by mixing the precursors and using light to drive the reaction. More than 99 percent of the resultant product is dichloroacetic acid, with less than 1/2% monochloroacetic acid and 1/2% trichloroacetic acid produced.

Using such pure dichloroacetic acid and our special synthesis process gives a sodium dichloroacetate that is as pure as the starting acid!

Is the less than 1/2% monochloroacetic acid (MCA) and less than 1/2% trichloroacetic acid (TCA) an issue for your pet?

1. Both MCA and TCA are very similar to DCA, being chlorinated acetic acids.
2. There is also a NOEL (No Observed Effects Level) established for both monochloroacetic acid and trichloroacetic acid.

For monochloroacetic acid (MCA) the NOEL is 26.1 mg/kg per day
For trichloroacetic acid (TCA) the NOEL is 364 mg/kg per day

Compare that to the NOEL for DCA, at 3-8 mg/kg per day.

Because there is approximately 1/200 as much of each of MCA and TCA as there is of DCA, that means if you gave your pet the 10 mg/kg dosage, your pet is getting about 0.05 mg/kg each of MCA and TCA, which is a tiny fraction of the NOEL. for those materials.

3. All three of these chemicals, MCA, DCA, and TCA have been studied extensively because they are produced by the chlorination of drinking water and are therefore present in many municipal water supplies. Calculations (click here) of tolerable limits for these chemicals show that the amounts of MCA and TCA in Vet-DCA are actually below the toleratble limits allowed in municipal drinking water.



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petesarto
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Mar-06-07, 07:05 PM (PST)
 
13. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA (?almost pure?)"
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   Can anyone tell me why the DCA for animals cannot be used on humans.
Finding great difficulty sourcing any DCA here in the UK.
Thank You
peter


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Sandra
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Mar-06-07, 07:41 PM (PST)
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14. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA (?almost pure?)"
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It is only legal to sell DCA for animal use. If you buy it, you can do what ever you want with it.


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John G
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Mar-07-07, 07:16 AM (PST)
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15. "RE: Probable source for Pet DCA"
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   I ordered my DCA from www.buydca.com on Saturday. I was informed they shipped it out on Monday. I got an automatic order confirmation and on my request I was sent a U.S. Post Office tracking number. I expect to receive it tomorrow. So this website seems legit.

On a bright note, I took my dog Buddy to a different doctor today to look at removing his tumor for less than the $2,400 to $4,200 I have been quoted. (they say it is in a difficult place, need a board certified doctor etc.) I had a t-shirt on Buddy for the last few days so he wouldn't irritate the spot further and had not looked at the tumor (in his arm-pit area), fearing it had grown and my few days of delay was hurting his chances of survival. My friend had refered me to a Vet he used before, but he could not remember his name, only his location. I couldn't find it in the phone book so I drove there today. I caught the Dr. just as he was leaving. I quickly explained my situation. He said let me look at the tumor. I took Buddy's shirt off, and had him lie on his back right there on the sidewalk, and the "tumor" is much smaller, practically gone. The Doctor said that will be gone in a few days, it is not cancer. If I had given him DCA a week ago I would be atributing this decrease in tumor size to DCA, so be careful out there. This must have just been an irritation or inflamation on the old scar line from where the confirmed type 1 mast cell tumor had been removed last year. I am much releived today. This has been an intense 10 days or so since I was told my dog's cancer had re-appeared.

I am glad I did not just quickly say yes to the expensive surgery followed by 6 months of expensive chemo. My Vet's own dog is "dying of cancer" and I now hope I can convince her to give the DCA I ordered to her dog. To me trying this on an otherwise terminal animal, or person, is just common sence, a "no brainer." I see a strong potential upside and very little downside. Good luck to all of you trying DCA. This is a noble cause.

John


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Diana
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Mar-10-07, 07:46 PM (PST)
 
19. "RE: IN MEMORIUM: Jet's demise March 9.07"
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   There isn't a "IN Memoriam" section so I added this here for real pets. Sorry if some are offended.

Hi,

I am happy to hear that your dog is better and its not cancer. It was probably like a nightmare that you woke up from. Have a blood panel sent to a pathologist anyways just to be sure.

I unfortunately did not have time left to make Jet hang on. Jet was a Black Flat-coated Retriever with his Inernational and Canadian Championship. An elegant dog which the vets & staff called prince as he was so regal in his stance. He passed over on March 9 at noon. I cannot believe that I couldn't keep him long enough to fight the cancer. Even buying time. Now Jet's post mortem stuff has been sent to the Cheryl London Study at the NIH Am. and his DNA is submitted to the DOG DNA project, plus he is in the Flat-coats of america study for histiocytic sarcoma. Making his young demise (7) will serve a higher purpose. No flatcoats have entered any studies. Histiosarcoma like all cancers is in humans and dogs. FCR of Amer. are revising, and so I am submitting a request that the Nationals for FCR's include a requirement of submitting to DNA Testing and also fill out forms to the Flatcoat HS study. That would be a real legacy.

Then this morning, I spoke with my mom on the telephone, and she is slightly slurring her words, and a has slightly broken sentences. I remembered my uncle sounding very similiar to that just before he fell into a coma, and then had the calcium reduced. I tried to insist on her going to the Hospital, but she states she is just tired. It is about her 12th day on this taxoter and she has had low red blood cells since day 8. Now my mother will phone everyone and tell them her daughter is once again, up in arms and insisting on her going to the hospital.

Anyways, I sent an email to the Dr. in Edmonton, hoping he will take mom as a DCA patient. I hope that comes through.

Take care.
Diana
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