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desparate
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Feb-28-07, 10:25 PM (PST)
 
"preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
 
   I have sourced some dichloracetic acid 99.9 % purity and would like to know how to prepare the sodium DCA. Should I use sodium bicarbonate or sodium chloride? what ratios. Please let me know.


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1. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-11-07 AT 00:33 AM (PST)
 
This isn't a direct answer, but to start with, this is a good response from MarkW:

With pure DCA Acid? No dosage is correct. dichloroacetic acid has a PH of 1.78 which is a pretty strong acid. Strong enough to burn/blister your mouth, throat and stomach.

DCA Acid must be buffered close to a PH of 7.

Info: PH is a measurement of BASE to ACID. It spans from 0 to 14 with the middle point (pH 7) being neutral (neither acidic or basic).
Any pH number greater than 7 is considered a base and any pH number less than 7 is considered an acid. 0 is the strongest acid and 14 is the strongest base.

A PH of 1.78 is a strong ACID. Using it as it is will most likely result in a 911 emergency.

Please consult a Compounding Pharmacy or a Chemist Lab in your area to buffer this.


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jeff
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Mar-16-07, 02:17 AM (PST)
 
4. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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   I believe the writer wants to know if he needs to add sodium to the chemical he posesses. I believe the answer is that the sodium is already part of the molecule; you don't have to add any more.


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Nino
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May-11-08, 10:48 PM (PST)
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18. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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   Hello heder :

I just finish talking with Jim Tassano no problem then you can leave my trend open if you like.
Bye and thanks

Natale


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Jimmoderator
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Mar-01-07, 01:09 AM (PST)
 
2. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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   Where did you get such pure acid?

How good at chemistry are you? Can you measure pH very accurately?


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Hopeful
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Mar-03-07, 07:49 PM (PST)
 
3. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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   Rather than trying to prepare your own, you can purchase Sodium DCA from a pharmacy in Edmonton, Alberta called Market Drugs Medical. You will require a prescription from a medical doctor. The phone # is 780-422-1397. The cost is approx. $2.00 per 500 milligram capsule. Ask for Ron in pharmacy.


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chem100
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Mar-18-07, 05:17 AM (PST)
 
5. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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   To neutralize the acid and convert it to the sodium salt you would preferably use sodium hydroxide. This will yeild the desired sodium dichloroacetic acid and water as a byproduct. You would want to monitor the pH carefully to titrate the sodium hydroxide. I will not tell you the correct ratios or the resultant pH. If you are not competent to calculate them then you should seek the assistance of a chemist. Remember to take appropriate safety precautions when neutralizing strong acids.


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Cathy Martin
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Mar-23-07, 04:17 AM (PST)
 
6. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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   Hi there,

I have been reading your messages. I would like to ask how you take the Sodium Dichloroacetate powder as I have been able to obtain some through a company in the UK. Are people making it into a paste or solution or into capsules? I would love to hear from anyone. My email address is cathy.martin@xtra.co.nz


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Sandra
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7. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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Cathy,
You might be able to find a compounding pharmacist who will put it into capsules for you. If not, you can mix it with water. I have a prescription for it and am taking a dose of 25mg/kg/day.
Good luck to you,
Sandra


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Alain
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Apr-22-07, 03:30 AM (PST)
 
10. "RE%3A preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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   Hi Sandra,

Any negative side effects since starting to take this ? My wife is running out of options quickly...

Thanks!
Alain


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Sandra
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11. "RE: RE%3A preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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>Hi Sandra,
>
>Any negative side effects since starting to take this ?
>My wife is running out of options quickly...
>
>Thanks!
>Alain

Hi Alain,
Email me please, then you can share your wife's situation with me.
(Little envelope, top right corner).

Take care,
Sandra


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Sandra
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8. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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Cathy,
Forgot to mention, you should divide that dose and take it 3 times a day. Don't take it all at once.
Take care,
Sandra


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Mar-30-07, 03:04 PM (PST)
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9. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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   Desperate,

On no account put Dichloroacetic acid into your mouth. It is a nasty even dangerous acid even when diluted.

As Chem100 advises, Dichloroacetic acid would normally be neutralised using sodium hydroxide ( AKA lye or caustic soda) but you need to be a chemist to do this safely or you could finish up with an excess of lye and ulcerate your mouth and throat with the lye instead of the Dichloroacetic acid.

Do not use salt (Sodium Chloride) it is a neutral salt and will have no effect on the acidity of the Dichloroacetic acid.

Sodium bicarbonate is a mild alkali and will react with the Dichloroacetic acid to neutralise it safely, but if you do not have any means of measuring pH then you will not be able to safely gauge when you have finished the neutralisation process.

Unless you are a chemist/analyst with access to a calibrated pH meter, it would be unsafe to try to do this, especially as sodium dichloroacetate (NaDCA) or potassium dochloroacetate (KDCA) are now readily available from http://www.buydca.com/index.html


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Aug-25-07, 12:31 PM (PST)
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17. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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   You probably don't need this info now but it may be useful for others.

The chemistry for this is very simple.
DiChloroacetic acid is Cl2CHCOOH molecular weight 134
This will react with 1 mol of NaHCO3 (sodium bicarbonate) mol wt = 84

chemistry is:

Cl2CHCOOH + NaHCO3 -------> Cl2CHCOONa + H2O + CO2 (CO2 will be given off as a gas i.e. it will fizz)

i.e. approx 134 gms of pure DCA acid will be neutralised by 84gm of pure sodium bicarbonate available at all chemists/pharmacies(if less than 100% strength bicarb is used then you'll have to add more).
With this method just add bicarb until you get pH 7-8 A good indication will be that it doesn't fizz anymore. You don't need an expensive pH meter, you should be able to get pH papers fairly easily from School/ College labs or anyone who works in science.

I would recommend the use of Sodium bicarbonate as this is the safest option. Any other alkali mentioned in previous replies could be dangerous if you put too much in - could cause burns / ulceration of mouth/throat. If you put too much bicarb in, then this excess will only treat any acid indigestion you may have at the time and is very safe. Two remedies in one!

Don't treat this message as a recommendation for the use of DCA, it is only to stop people from harming themselves with dangerous acids or alkali's. I have no experience of the efficacy of DCA at all, only in the research stage for a friend. If he tries it and there is any improvement I'll get back in touch.

Rob3rt


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19. "RE: preparing sodium dichloroacetate"
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