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John A
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"DCA Side Effects pH Control"
 
   DCA under acidic body fluid conditions is adsorbed by fatty body tissue including the Myelin electrical insulator surrounding the axons of neurons.

In layman's term's DCA under acidic conditions reduces the Electrical Insulating properties of Myelin creating nerve malfunctions. The end result can be numbness, muscular weakness , disorientation and mental disturbances. Some of these symptons have been experienced by DCA users.

Why is this so and what can be done about it ????

Firstly manage the pH of body fluids as measured on Saliva and Urine.
Keep pH levels 6.8+.


Why ?

Because as the pH drops and the body fluids become increasingly acid the DCA becomes less soluble in water and more soluble in fats such as the Myelin Phospholipids (Fats)

Cancer patients often have Saliva / Urine pH levels of 5.0 to 5.5.
At these acidity levels signicant build up of DCA in the Myelin will occur with increasing nerve malfunction.

I thank Sandra for being so persistant and analytical in drawing our attention to DCA Side Effects and seeking possible scientific explanations.

I welcome further feedback and discussion from all.


God Bless all those who participate in this forum and their quest for Understanding and Knowledge.

John A.
Research Chemist


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Gil B
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1. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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   Hello John A
What do you recommend to raise Body fluid pH?
I am using "URAL" which is an OTC pharmacy line in Australia urine alkaliser.
Using "compur test sticks" pH has risen from 5 to 6 to about 7
I am trying discover long term use effects from manufacturer "arrow pharm" so far without success
Do you know if other body fluid pH will follow urine which is easy to test though not to the accuracy of .02 pH unit?
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Gil B
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2. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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   Sorry John A
I have now read yor reply to topic 73
Would stll be interested in your views on URAL
Gil B


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John A
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3. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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   >Sorry John A
>I have now read yor reply to topic 73
>Would stll be interested in your views on URAL
>Gil B


Hello Gil B,

Ural is essentially sodium bicarbonate plus Citric/ Tartaric acid.
It will increase overall body fluid alkalinity but long term high sodium intake is not ideal and may cause elevated blood pressure etc.

A more balanced alkaliser for longer term use would contain a mixture of Sodium, potassium, Magnesium, calcium salts etc, but I am not aware of such a commercial product.

It is far better to adapt a diet of more alkaline foods which contain these alkaline minerals plus antioxidants and vitamins.

Changes to body fluid pH levels could take a little longer as new diet is adopted.

Usually Urine pH levels show the quickest change followed by saliva pH levels which lag behind .

During the day there will be some fluctuations so it is better to measure twice per day hopefully seeing the pH levels tracking upwards over a period of a week as diet changes take effect.

In more critical cases supplementary milk of magnesia has bee suggested but I would normally expect in 75% of cases alkaline diet alone will maintain the Saliva pH att 6.8+ and Urine at 7.0+


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John A.
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DerekSmith
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4. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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   The metabolic pathway for citrate ends up with bicarbonate - an alkalising radical, i.e. it pushes the blood pH up.

It is perhaps no surprise that Ural includes citric acid in its formulation. Don't be surprised that something which started off being eaten as an acid, ended up as an alkali in the blood - its just the way the body happens to metabolise citrate.

You do not have to buy Ural (complete with its burden of sodium) to get citrate. Many fruits and veg have high levels of citrate (not forgetting lemons with their high levels of citric acid). Do not worry about eating(drinking) lemon juice - its sourness will not make your pH go down, the opposite in fact, as the citrate ends up as bicarbonate, the blood pH will be driven up.

The bodies metabolic pathways are complex and just eating something that is alkaline will not necessarily make the pH go up, and as is the case with citrate, eating an acid ends up driving the pH up, not down, as the simplistic view might suggest.

So to compensate for low blood pH - eat plenty of salad leaves with lashings of lemon juice dressing, but steer clear of hard cheeses, because despite its plentiful calcium levels, its high phosphate levels end up driving the blood to even lower pH levels.

Citrate - GOOD
Phosphate - BAD


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John A
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5. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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   Thanks Derek Good to hear from you again. Your comments are as always very useful.

Best Regards

John A.

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6. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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   Let everyone beware of those who place major emphasis on saliva/urine pH testing and attach major significance of the results of said tests. This is virtually a sure sign of medical/scientific quackism.

Here's a thread with relevant information in this regard

http://www.thedcasite.com/dcaforum/DCForumID1/111.html

Excerpt:


"I will shortly be posting some actual patient pH data for general information as ADMIN are making changes to accomodate posting of this type of real data."

Here's hoping that ADMIN will indeed NOT be making changes to accomodate said posting.

If this so-called "researcher" has real data that is indicative of anything other than mumbo jumbo, let him write up a paper, inclusive of said data, and submit it for publication in a legitimate journal.

Let everyone be reminded that Dr. Evangelos Michelakis, et al, chose that exact course, the journal-publication course, to reveal to the world the results of their studies vis-a-vis DCA.

Michelakis, et al, are, of course, legitimate scientists who produced very significant findings; findings that could stand up to rigorous peer reviews and all the other checks and balances that occur before a scientific paper is published.. duh.


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John A
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8. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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   >Let everyone beware of those who place major emphasis on
>saliva/urine pH testing and attach major significance of the
>results of said tests. This is virtually a sure sign of
>medical/scientific quackism.
>
>Here's a thread with relevant information in this regard
>
>http://www.thedcasite.com/dcaforum/DCForumID1/111.html
>
>Excerpt:
>
>
>"I will shortly be posting some actual patient pH data for
>general information as ADMIN are making changes to
>accomodate posting of this type of real data."
>
>Here's hoping that ADMIN will indeed NOT be making changes
>to accomodate said posting.

>
>If this so-called "researcher" has real data that is
>indicative of anything other than mumbo jumbo, let him write
>up a paper, inclusive of said data, and submit it for
>publication in a legitimate journal.
>
>Let everyone be reminded that Dr. Evangelos Michelakis, et
>al, chose that exact course, the journal-publication course,
>to reveal to the world the results of their studies
>vis-a-vis DCA.
>
>Michelakis, et al, are, of course, legitimate scientists who
>produced very significant findings; findings that could
>stand up to rigorous peer reviews and all the other checks
>and balances that occur before a scientific paper is
>published.. duh.

To All please ignore "Incomeingduck",

He prefers to hide behind his "'Incomeingduck" self description and is attempting to disrupt the serious nature of this forum.

He confuses simple scientific issues and would appear to have some hidden agenda or underlying serious problem.


John A.

Research Chemist

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Willis
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9. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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   I think they would be better off ignoring you, John A. He's the duck, you're the quack.


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7. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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   Furthermore, this is the thread for TESTIMONIALS ONLY.

Anyone opening a topic here that is not a testimonial is guilty of an egregious and contemptible invasion.


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10. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-06-07 AT 10:20 PM (PST)
 
Folks,

Some of the content in this thread is unacceptable to me. I do not tolerate anything but the highest respect toward each user, regardless if you disagree with their viewpoints. We are all fighting an extremely hard battle here, cancer. We are all prone to being emotional and desperate, and dealing with anger is a part of that. I am asking that we refrain from expressing disrespect towards another forum user in ANY MANNER.

In addition, please refer to the "Forum Guidelines":

Due to some offensive posts, I feel the need to state that the following will NOT be tolerated on this forum:
- Slander, bad-mouthing
- Personal attacks, defamation, harassment
- Abusive language or attitude towards anyone or anything

What is acceptable is respectful discussion of this issue including any debates. It is ok to express your concerns about subjects around DCA and state "negative" facts, but it is not ok to put-down, harass or demean other forum members.


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11. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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   John,
I read somewhere that serum PH is not easily adjusted. Unfortunately you did not address how that is done. Can you help with additional information?
Jim

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12. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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   According to a current stream of research, the natural pH in the human body fluctuates, over a 24 hour period, between alkalosis and acidosis. If this oscillation did not occur, it would be impossible for the various biochemical processes in the body to take place and metabolism would grind to a halt. This ebb and flow in our pH is precisely what drives the engine of biological life. These are only small fluctuations around the point of equilibrium, but they are sufficient to create biochemical motion.

Although it is generally accepted that pH is the inverse logarithm of the concentration of hydrogen ions, the concepts of this almost mathematical definition are virtually impossible to understand. What it really means is that pH tells us the quantity of hydrogen ions in a solution, and more specifically, for what concerns us here, in the human body. Hydrogen ions have a positive electric charge and there is a constant state of equilibrium between these and other hydroxide ions which have a negative charge. The result of this interplay is that the quantities of both in a solution will always remain constant (ionic result), because if one rises then the other must inevitably fall. When the number of hydrogen ions rises, the positive electrical charge will rise and the negative charge, in the form of OH or hydroxide ions, will fall. In such a case we say that we are in a state of acidosis, and in the opposite case, when the negative charges predominate, we would be in alkalosis. As we can easily deduce, the oscillation of these electrical charges creates an electromagnetic field, and this is the first moment in scientific medicine that such fields are mentioned. It is therefore (c’est pas pour rien que) that in physics, a magnetic field is defined as that place in space where electromagnetic forces occur and since Maxwell, the concepts of electrical charge and electromagnetic charge have been intertwined. So when we speak of pH, we are also speaking of electromagnetic fields.

Every living biological system, be it an ant, a plant, or a bacterium, even a single cell, is therefore an electromagnetic field fluctuating between positive and negative charges, and owes its life to this motion.

This motion can only be explained by the living organisms’ drive to escape a state of charge, be it negative or positive, to find repose, or in other words, electro-neutrality, but absence of charge would mean the end of biochemical motion, which would be the same as death. If we call that fruitless drive ‘life’ and the absence of that compulsion, ‘death’, then we could conclude that all organisms seek death. Following along these lines, we could define ‘life’ as the eternal quest for electro-neutrality or ‘death’. As it happens, the precise point of equilibrium is never found, so the organism ends up moving continuously from one state of charge to its opposite. In other words, it is like a scale of unbalanced equilibrium in which the organism is forced to make constant back and forth oscillations. As this fluctuation in pH continues over 24 hours, each oscillation must be not only of equal amplitude in each direction, but also of equal speed. As such, the system always leans either towards alkalosis or acidosis, in each case giving rise to different illnesses.

Only by regulating this system, when it is in an altered state, can health be restored.

Imbalances in this system are found in almost all human pathologies, even more so in adult and senescent life. Refensal works to regulate all possible imbalances in the body, thus contributing to the recovery of health.
more info and Clinical Cases: http://www.healthtotem.com/en/refensal/clinic.html


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13. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control"
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John baby - good to have you back man! Yeah its really good!

God Bless
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14. "RE: DCA Side Effects pH Control - Vitamin C"
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John a couple years back you provided good feedback on the dangers of using dca with Vitamin C and E - etc. Can you go over that issues once again for those who were not here back then?

John your intelligence helped keep my wife here and I really love you for it man.

God Bless Us All!
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