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JackRussell
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Jun-16-10, 12:47 PM (PST)
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"Best Protocol"
 
   If someone has better info than what I have listed below then please tell me. - Thanks

I have read quite a bit now from this site and many sites, including the observational outcomes presented by Medicor.
Trying to determine the best protocol is a little like shaking a box trying to tell whats in it.
In the end, what I am seeing at this date (6-16-2010) is:
- DCA 25-30/mg/kg/day for 3 weeks followed by 1 week off DCA (then repeat)
- Chemotherapy (combining DCA with chemo appears to have a better effect)
- Caffeine 100-200 mg/2 times/day (equiv to 6-12 cups of coffee!!)
- Thiamine (B-1) 100 mg/3 times/day (thats over 300 times RDA for an adult male)
- ALA 3000 mg (3g)/day
- I would guess DHA (oemga-3) would not hurt in protecting nerves from DCA side effects (3 grams will do)

Liver and kidney tests need to be done regularly (I don't know but that might mean ??weekly??)

Now I also read that some people follow a 5 days on DCA and 2 days off protocol.

Very antidotal: Lymphoma I have read a 1 day on and 1 day off.

More antidotal: Need to look up info; something about fat inhibitors aiding DCA effect

Sad news but Medicor reported that DCA looses its effectiveness over time.

There are concerns with too much cancer kill-off (TLS) by DCA so you might have to start at lower dose initially before kicking it up.

For testing - DCA has a melting point of 198 degrees cent. It is slightly more acidic than water. It is a white crystline, odorless powder. (I will have to look up what I have on this and get back to you.) Better yet, find a local lab to do the testing for you. I know chemo is poison but having some clown sell you poison instead of DCA is not the kind of poison we're interested in.



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KlausBreuer
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Jul-15-10, 07:57 AM (PST)
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1. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Thanks for all that info!

You might want to add that drinking any type of coffee (any caffeine, including most teas) is not at all a good idea if you have a brain cancer.

Ciao,
Klaus

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KlausBreuer
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2. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Hi again!

> Better yet, find a local lab to do the testing for you.

Well, I talked to a Prof here and he told me that, yes, it is easy to test if this is really Sodium DCA. However, just knowing this is not good enough - the real interest is knowing if anything has been added to it.
And testing for this can literally take months...

Ciao,
Klaus

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omaralvarez
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3. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Hi everyone, I'm Omar from the Philippines, it's absolutely amazing that I was given this chance to research on some alternative treatment for my cancer and I believe I am on the right site. I was diagnosed of Osteosarcoma on my left knee (distal femur to be exact) back November 2008 and had undergone a neoadjuvant chemotherapy, 9 cycles all in all and my last one was on July 2009. After my fourth chemo, I was operated on and my entire left knee was removed and replaced with a metal (megaprosthesis). Now, a year after my chemo, I am again facing a newly diagnosed metastasis on my lungs (right upper lobe), about two 3cm tumors, and several ones on my left chest(pre-carina), with about 4 cm the largest. And my doctor has given me no option but chemotherapy again for a minimum of 6 cycles, which I seem to have feared to get through again because of my previous experience. I've read a lot about this DCA and we're already thinking of ordering this online through pharma-dca.com. My question is, how do you guys think of my prognosis here using the DCA+Tea+B1 protocol? Do you think this will be effective for me? Or would there be a better recommendation in my case? I'd really appreciate your reactions guys.. Thank you so much and God bless us all.


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KlausBreuer
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4. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Hi Omar!

Yes, the web site you used seems okay (I'm ordering from them myself), and your DCA + Tea + B1 sounds good.
Any chance of drinking lots of coffee as well? Might be a good idea (more caffeine than tea).
Keep in mind that you'd need quite a lot of Benfotiamin (a type of B1), values between 400 and 500 mg/day have been mentioned.

What were the side effects of your chemo? Maybe I'm just lucky, but my side-effects are merely a largish loss of concentration while I take that stuff...

Best of luck to you!

Ciao,
Klaus

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robmx
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5. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   My oncologist again today suggested taking a lot of B6 also. Any thoughts?


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omaralvarez
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6. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Hi Klaus!

Thanks for taking time to reply. I actually have not started taking the drug yet. We have just ordered online and waiting for it to arrive. I'm not even sure if it would come since i'm in the far east. But i'll start the dca tea b1 protocol the soonest possible time.

Are you currently under treatment? What protocol do you use? Would you recommend drinking coffee rather than tea? Should it be mixed with sugar or just plain coffee? I'm sorry if i'm asking too many questions i'm really hoping this DCA could help me entirely without the aid of chemo. Quite honestly, my experience with chemo was bizarre. I had all the possible side effects those drugs can give. I lost all of my hair, my gums were sore and swollen, nauseated and vomited even my gastric juices, generally fatigue, plus bad treatment from nurses. it really was an awful experience that's why to this very day i've never believed i survived the treatment. This really is my only hope at the moment. Oh one other thing, is the Benfotiamin you mentioned an over the counter drug? Thank you!

Omar


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KlausBreuer
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7. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Hi Omar!

I do apologize for answering so very late - I'm currently on chemo myself, and am trying to write a book while I'm at it
Aaaand I had to reinstall my PC, replacing hard drives, meaning I couldn't even look at this forum for a while...

Let's see if I can answer all your questions properly:

a) Don't take DCA with tea - use cold water. That stuff should not be heated up. Drink tea about 30 min before and afterwards, and lots of it.

b) Yes, I'm currently under treatment. I'm using a very different chemo than you, and the only side effect is a severe loss of my concentration ability - somewhat frustrating, as it stops me from working (I'm a programmer).

c) Protocol? You mean the chemo? Well, normally I take Mo-Fr about 430 mg, followed by three weeks to get myself back in shape. Currently, however, I'm taking about 240 mg Mo-Sun, with only one week break.
It's okay, although I start to feel poorly from Friday onwards.
DCA Protocol: I started with 5mg/kg every second day for a week. Next week, I went to 5mg/day. Week after, switching between 10 and 5 every day. Week after that, 10mg/kg/day. Currently I'm taking 'bit over 10', and am thinking of going to 15 as soon as I can get enough vitamin B1 and B6.

d) Coffee vs tea: depends a lot on your taste. As far as I understand, you simply need the caffeine in it. Unless, as mentioned elsewhere, you have a brain cancer, in which case you're not allowed caffeine in any form.

e) It should not be mixed with coffee - coffee is hot, remember?
If you meant plain coffee drinking - hey, up to you, whichever you prefer.

f) Don't be sorry about asking questions, we're glad to help here.

g) Benfotiamin: Frankly, I don't know. Currently I'm taking 'normal' vitamin B tablets, and am trying to get my doctor to prescribe this stuff so I can take it in higher dosage.
According to my (severely limited) knowledge, I'd assume you can get it in a pharmacy.

Sorry to hear about your terrible chemo! My hair only fell out after the radiation, but most of it grew back...

Greetings from crazy Munich,

Klaus

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everything?" -- Calvin
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Hope for Cure
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8. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   I would add about 600 mg or more of CO-enzyme Q10 to any protocol. Dca inhibits the cell from using glucose but Co -enzyme Q10 kicks on the Mitrocondria in the cell to promote cell death. Co-enzyme Q10 could be the missing link to making Dca a really effective cancer drug. My Dad had Small cell Lung cancer and was given only 2 month to live. We went to Canada to medicore clients and got Dca. My Dad been Cancer free for over 2 years and is one of the 2 patient that was cured for Medicore trial. One of Co-enzyme Q10 function is to bring oxyigen to Mitrocondria.My Dad also drank alot of green tea plus took Grape extract.

william mcgill


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omaralvarez
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9. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Hi Klaus, glad to hear from you, sorry about your hard drives though Anyways, just got hold of my DCA 70grams and about to start my treatment. I'm really optimistic this would cure me or shrink the tumor down at the very least. So far I have these ready - DCA, coffee for caffeine, vitamin b1 tablets.

I have a few questions though just to clear my mind before the undertaking, I'm planning to go for the 10mg/kg, based on the dosage calculator on this site, if I weigh 55 kilograms with the 10mg dca dosage, the total would be 550mg, would that mean that 550mg is the amount I need to take for the whole day? If yes, can I split the dose for like two intakes? One in the morning and the other in the afternoon? Is there any particular time you take them?

For the coffee (caffeine per se), would a minimum of 6 cups be all right? I'm not really sure if I could take more than that, but I'll try if its really a must.

The vit B1, I have 500mg tabs, and i'm assuming it's enough for each day right?

@william, is your dad still taking dca until this day? Happy to hear he is already a survivor!

Again, I apologize for asking too many questions. Thank you so much for your time and response, I appreciate it a lot.

Omar


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10. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   No my Dad is off the DCA. He was on it for over a year and about 6 months after the cancer was gone. He did a 2 weeks on with one week off. Then the final 6 months he did a one week on then 2 weeks off. That is a advantage to Dca ,you can stay on for a year or more where chemotherapy can only be on for 3 or 4 months

william mcgill


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omaralvarez
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11. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Hi William,

Thanks for responding. I wanted to ask a huge favor though, if you don't mind sharing the protocol your dad used with DCA. Was it in conjunction with chemo? Is he totally cancer free now? Also, what vitamin B1 brand did he use? Cause i'm sort of having a hard time looking for one, in our place what's available is only the vitamin B complex, do you think that would suffice?


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Hope for Cure
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12. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Yes I think a b vietim complex is fine. B1 is just used to treat the side of effect of DCA. At the top of this page is a good protocol I would follow but my Dad was also on high doses of CoEnyme Q10 about 600 mg per day. He also take large doses of Resveratrol. Resveratrol is what makes grapes a good cancer fighter. I think Resveratrol also blocks cells from using Glucose making Dca more effective. COenyme Q10 is reponsible for 95 % of energy in cells and help bring oxygen in the mitrocondria. My Dad basicily bought DCA AT Medicor clinics and took B1 plus ALA and Omega 3 from fish oil and then added 600 mg CoEnyme Q10 , large doses Resveratrol, and drank Green Tea.

william mcgill


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13. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   My Dad did Chemo then the Doctors send him home to die because he could not do any more chemo . He then tried the Dca from Medicor but never did chemo and Dca together. He was cancer free in 6 months afetr starting Dca.

william mcgill


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omaralvarez
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14. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Wow what a brave heart your dad and your family have. I appreciate all the information you've shared. I can't start my treatment at the moment as i'm lacking some of the drugs needed. I'm miles away from Medicor and i have quite a poor web connection that's why it's taking me days to reply. By the way, was your dad on a special diet while he was on DCA?

And last thing, does medicor provide a package of the drugs needed? Do you know how much it costs? Thanks william


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15. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Medicor will only mail DCA if you go up to Canada to see them. The cost is about 800 dollars for 2 months using a 2 weeks on with 1 week off.

william mcgill


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BOBBY
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16. "RE: Best Protocol"
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   Williman, this was true in the past.
Today a person can become a patient
with Medicor, without a visit to Canada.
They ship medication Worldwide.

Bobby


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