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incomingduck
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Apr-26-07, 01:04 AM (PST)
 
"honey, I shrunk my tumor"
 
   There has been this growth on the inside of one of my nostrils for quite a while (like, years). I had tried all sorts of self medication but the thing never responded and/or went away. In the last 3 months, it had become painful, especially if I pulled off a piece of the hardened/scabby tissue that forms on top if it. After a little research, I finally (and with great reluctance) concluded that the growth/tumor could be cancerous. After reading that one of the chemicals that I regularly was exposed to at a prior job could cause such a cancer, my concerns were heightened.

About the time I was ready to give in and make a doctor's appointment, I heard about DCA. Hey, I figured, I'll give it a shot and if nothing good happens then there will probably still be time to make that appointment. Making a long story shorter here, I got some DCA (from buydca.com)and began applying it topically. Sure enough, there seems to be a significant shrinkage and the pain is gone. To apply the DCA, I wet a Qtip with water and dip it into some of the DCA powder. Then, I just kind of rub it on/in at the tumor site for a few minutes. It makes a kind of a paste which can sting for a while but nothing too terrible at all.

I know, this post is a classic "anecdotal" account with virtually no scientific value. Sorry about that. All I can do is report what is happening. Good luck everyone and if DCA really turns out to be top-gun cancer-fighting weapon then Dr. M deserves a Nobel prize or somesuch honor at the very least.


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incomingduck
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May-04-07, 12:52 PM (PST)
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1. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   DCA is wild/wonderful stuff. Unbelievable, almost.

Here's my latest report.

First, the "tumor" and/or "growth" or whatever (that I had in one of my nostrils) has gotten even smaller; smaller than it has been in a long time. Far less than half of its original size and feeling a lot more benign. This result has been achieved in less than 2 weeks of topical applications of DCA. Was/is it cancer? Can't say with certainty because it was never tested. But, it definitely was a nasty little thing which, as stated, resisted other meds and felt like it was "putting out roots" while becoming increasingly painful.

Thus, DCA for me has already produced much happiness and relief. Many thanks to Dr. M and also to the good folks at buydca.com!!!

But wait, there's more. And here's where things get kind of, well, almost incredible.

While going through messages on this board yesterday in a somewhat random fashion, I ran across one where the guy taking DCA mentioned that some moles (that he thought were non-cancerous) which he had had his whole life had disappeared (or, were in advanced stages of disappearing) after he had been on DCA for several weeks.

This guy's post set me to thinking about a mole on my left temple; a mole which gets larger and develops a rough, scab-like outer surface during the summer when I work out in the sun.

Making a long story shorter here again, I made up a small mixture of DCA powder and "Cortaid" (from a tube). The proportions of the mixture were about 50/50 of Cortaid and DCA. I then applied this mixture topically with a Qtip (rubbing it in for 30 seconds or so) and went to bed. A mildly tingly/stingy effect was felt directly in the mole but not on the surrounding skin. This morning I was shocked and delighted to note that the mole was reduced in size by at least 1/2. This is a mole which has never gotten even a tiny bit smaller before. Fifty-percent shrinkage in one night! Not sure what this all means but I thought I would pass it on... Good luck to all.


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May-04-07, 03:11 PM (PST)
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2. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   It might be that one of your "tumors" is a metastasis of the other. Therefore you should carefully check all over your body for other growths. This includes your back. Because some of these hypothetical growths might internal, it seems prudent to also take DCA orally. Try 10 mg/kg/day to start and after a couple of weeks reduce by half or so.

check with your doctor for a metabolic panel blood test suitable for detecting internal cancer.

Gordon


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incomingduck
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May-04-07, 10:08 PM (PST)
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4. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   Gordon,

Thanks. Your advice is quite sensible but I'm a little leery about injesting the stuff. Of course, some of the topically applied DCA is probably already circulating in my system after having been absorbed into my blood. I'll keep posting periodically and disclose whatever further actions and results occur.

MZ,

It does seem unlikely for shrinkage like that to happen overnight. Maybe others will try topical applications and can report their results for comparison purposes. For the record, the mole/growth/whatever hasn't gotten much, if any, smaller throughout the day.


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3. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   Good for you to get it shrunk.

But I have a problem with how it works in just one night with 50% size reduction. DCA is suppose to "normalize" the cancerous cells so that they will die the same may as normal cells when their "cycle time" is up, which is 5~10 days, for normal cells.

Can anyone give an explantion on how it works with 50% size reduction in just one night?

MZ


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May-08-07, 12:58 PM (PST)
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5. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   Hello campers. Just a quick note here to say that the "moleplus" thingy that I treated topically a few times with my patented, 50/50 mixture of DCA and Cortaid is now almost totally gone. This was the thingy regarding which I reported a 50% size reduction overnight on the first night that I treated it.

If nothing else, the DCA may have saved me some money here because when a dermatologist cut off/out a similar item I had on one of my shoulders about 10 years ago, he charged me quite a bit for the procedure.

Good luck and God bless.


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May-08-07, 05:53 PM (PST)
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6. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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I tried this method on a small mole on my wifes chin a couple of nights ago, (just some DCA and water into a paste). As you reported, she also experienced some tingling and the area felt more sensitive afterwards.

The mole definately looks smaller and is now much paler than it was.

This technique definately seems to work!

Billn


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May-08-07, 07:08 PM (PST)
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7. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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Just some late thoughts.

1. What if DCA also works on pre-cancerous cells? Is it possible that these moles have pre-cancerous cells that have reacted exactly as cancerous cells would? This would have substantial benefits, i.e. for women who have had smears that show precancerous cells (Cancer of the Servix).

2. Anyone know if the Canada trials will cover pre-cancerous cells?

3. Because the moles seemed to have reacted quickly to a local, highly concentrated dose of DCA over a short timescale (the DCA would not remain on the skin for an extended period), does this indicate that a single high dose of DCA each day would be the best method, rather than several doses during the day?

Billn


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May-09-07, 00:44 AM (PST)
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8. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   Not sure what constitutes a "pre-cancerous cell" but I also wondered about that.

At this point, my once-somewhat-angry mole appears to have reverted back into the tiny freckle that it had been before exposure to way too many years of South-Texas sun and, maybe, before it acquired a nasty baggage of precancerous cells.

With respect to the "short timescale" that you mention, DCA mixed with Cortaid is a sticky-ish concoction which remained on my skin for quite a few hours.

Also, since we're not talking about removing paint here, a more-concentrated DCA dose may not be as efficatious as a less-concentrated dose. It's another one of the many gray areas that DCA is presenting to us.

Bottom line, it's good to feel a smooth surface when I rub my fingertip across the former mole site. Good luck and God bless.


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May-13-07, 02:25 AM (PST)
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9. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   It appears that your idea of mixing DCA with Cortaid has precedent. Here is a reference that mentions cortisone acetate used for a lymphosarcoma. The reference was found by google under a directory I couldn't quite decipher, so your librarian might have a little difficulty looking it up. Anyway, here is my best attempt at a reference:

REGRESSION OF LYMPHOSARCOMA TRANSPLANTS
IN MICE,

GLADYS A. EMERSON
ELIZABETH WURTZ
MARY E . ZANETTI,

J.ACS-AT, p.4839, Oct. 1950

Gordon


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May-13-07, 04:18 AM (PST)
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10. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   Could this mean that my patent application might need some revisions?

Seriously though, it was a little shocking to wake up with a mole of a much different character than the one I had gone to bed with the night before (and the one I had been living with for at least a couple of years).

Anyone nutty (and/or bold?) enough to be contemplating a similar treatment on themselves should be prepared for some peeling of skin on/near the mole(s) they treat. DCA has been classified as a skin irritant and I can attest that said classification is correct.

Why am I reminded at this juncture of the admonition from the world of aviation, i.e., that there are old pilots and bold pilots but no old and bold pilots?


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May-13-07, 12:12 PM (PST)
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11. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   Actually the paper only mentioned use of cortisone acetate, the idea of mixing DCA with it is still yours. It would be ironic though if it was the acetate part of cortisone acetate that was the active part (just like dichloroacetate). It couldn't really be that simple though, acetates (carboxyl group) are ubiquitous in the body. The chlorine substituted methyl group is doing something.

Gordon


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12. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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Hi,

I can confirm that indeed the DCA does cause some skin peeling around the site. On application to my wifes mole on her chin, she had what appeared to be some minor skin burn.

I had a small (what I thought was) early mole on my nose. After applying some diluted DCA, I had to wash it off almost immediately as it hurt like hell.
Next morning I had some skin peel and, much like sunburn (I also now look stupid).

Apparently there is a substance TCA (tri-chloroacetic acid) that has a use for burning off moles by acidic action.

Advice is to be careful.

Billn


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May-14-07, 01:02 AM (PST)
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13. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   After reading your post, I was ready to believe that the quick major shrinkage of the mole on my temple was due to acidic action and not a cell-apoptosis-related phenomenon. Then I realized that the DCA I used is supposed to be a pH-neutralized variety. Temple moles aside, I'm still highly suspicious that the growth in my nostril is/was cancerous and that DCA has done a very nice job of zapping it.

Sidebar to Gordon: I'm ready to sign away a significant percentage of my patent rights to a partner who might be both qualified and interested in moving the invention forward....


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May-14-07, 03:48 AM (PST)
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14. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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This is known as escharotic therapy.
Bloodroot and goldenseal are herbs which do the same thing.
http://www.cancersalves.com/
http://www.tumorx.org/
http://www.imicalgary.com/ This clinic uses it for cervical cancer, but the site is being updated, so information is not available at the moment.


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15. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   Sandra, I've already posted my belief that the "thedcasite" site is not being manipulated by the administrators.

I also believe that quackwatch.org can be a source of valid information (including the following pertaining to "Escharotics").

Talk about sobering....

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/eschar.html


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16. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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The treatment is only supposed to be used on the tumor, not everywhere, not liberally and not over a long period of time. I know people who've used it successfully on small skin cancers - nose and back. There are various products out there, some are more aggressive than others - bloodroot especially with a lot of zinc oxide. Goldenseal is less aggressive. The clinic in Calgary is reputable, and they are using escharotic therapy against cervical cancer. There are also photos of successful use of the pastes on the sites I sent.


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17. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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Do a search on Sanguinarine (bloodroot), there is science behind it's use against cancer.

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1742-4658.2006.05227.x

http://publib.upol.cz/~obd/fulltext/Biomed/2006/1/5.pdf

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WBK-4C1FBVV-1&_user=10&_coverDate=04%2F30%2F2004&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c0e1967fb9370f2afe1a7c63851982e5


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18. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   Some years ago I successfully used bloodroot to treat a tumor on my dogs foot. He lived for years afterward.

Gordon


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19. "RE: honey, I shrunk my tumor"
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   Hello again, campers.

I've just about run out of ways to test DCA but I did think of one final(?) way the other day.

Because of too much sun exposure, I'm prone to developing squamous-cell carcinomas on the top edges of my ears.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squamous_cell_carcinoma

Usually, my dermatologist "freezes" them off with his handy/dandy spray can but I haven't been to see the guy in a while and consequently, I had some spots that were getting more itchy and rough by the week.

Once it dawned on me that said spots might respond to DCA, I mixed up another small supply of 50/50 DCA and Cortaid and slathered some on.

Said treatment was repeated a couple of times within the last week in completely haphazard fashion.

Positive results again! While the top edges of my ears aren't yet as smooth as a baby's bottom, they seem to definitely be rapidly trending in that direction...

Again, there's really no way to say with certainty what this means except it definitely reinforces my opinion that, at the very least, DCA is truly capable of putting the kibosh on certain forms of human cancers in certain circumstances.

Good luck and God bless.


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