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"Low dose naltrexone"
 
   Here is the website of interest

http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/


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1. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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I'm going to be trying this stuff, after reading posts on breast cancer remission here:
http://ldn.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=personal&action=display&thread=816

And here is a page on how to dose with LDN:
http://goodshape.net/HomemadeLDN.html

Here's the page on drug interactions:
http://www.webspawner.com/users/avoidthesedrugsonldn/index.html

Introduction to LDN:
http://www.webspawner.com/users/introtoldn/index.html

How to obtain:
http://www.webspawner.com/users/howtoobtainldn/index.html

Treating Cancer with LDN:
http://www.webspawner.com/users/ldnforcancer/index.html

It's recommended to take DL-phenylalanine as well 500mg 2X a day.
(BUT NOT IF YOU HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE!).
http://ldn.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=forum&action=display&thread=96

(Special thanks to '00Z' for this research)


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2. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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More info from a doctor who uses LDN for his patients:

http://jeffreydach.com/2007/08/01/low-dose-nalotrexone-ldn-by-jeffrey-dach-md.aspx


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3. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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Great video!
Interviews of doctors prescribing LDN for cancer and other ailments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAZ1fQKdOC8


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4. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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   Do you know any forums for cancer patients taking LDN ?


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5. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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>Do you know any forums for cancer patients taking LDN ?

None specific to cancer. Aside from the forum mentioned in my first post (http://ldn.proboards3.com/index.cgi) there is a yahoo group here:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lowdosenaltrexone/

Here's another LDN user's website:
http://www.ldners.org/resources.htm


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6. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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   >>Do you know any forums for cancer patients taking LDN ?
>
>None specific to cancer. Aside from the forum mentioned in
>my first post (http://ldn.proboards3.com/index.cgi) there is
>a yahoo group here:
>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lowdosenaltrexone/
>
>Here's another LDN user's website:
>http://www.ldners.org/resources.htm


Try http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_cancer/ ldn for cancer patients.

Davew


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7. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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   Thanks for the link. I see, there are a lot of people there with very good results.

What is the best way for ordering LDN at 4.5mg doses?
I have some 50mg Naltrexone capsules. Is there an easy way for breaking it into 11 doses? AFAIK it is not water solvable.


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8. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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I use a sharp knife to cut the pill into quarters. Then put it into a glass bottle with 50 ml of distilled water. I stir, and leave it overnight. The next night, I stir it and use a graduated dropper to measure 4.5 ml. Some people recommend starting with a dose of 3.0 ml, to reduce the possible side effect of nightmares. I started at 4.5 and didn't have any nightmares.


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9. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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   I don't think that dividing the pill is a good idea. Naltrexone is just 16% of it, and we do not know if it is spread equally.

My sister is starting LDN today. I gave her a 160 ml bottle with lines at every 10 ml. So, I told her to fill it up to 110 ml, and take 10ml/day after shaking it well every time.

CS results came out today and they were quite disappointing. Tumor has increased since last CS (Febr.28, 2008) from 52 mm to 60 mm. Also, there is some lymph node swelling, something not observable at the previous CS. My sister is on DCA since April 4th, and follows the DCA+caffeine+B1 protocol with vegan diet and a lot of other supplements. She started DCA one month after first CS, so we can’t say if most of tumor growth happened in this period.

We can’t say for sure if DCA works for her or not. She thinks it does. So, we decided to increase DCA dose to 22mg for 5 days, and take a 3 day break. She also starts LDN at 4.5 mg, and we hope for a better lack. She is not planning to go for conventional treatment, and I also agree with her decision. My biggest worry is metastases, and I don’t know what more we can do to avoid it.


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11. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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>MCP modified citrus pectin is used to help prevent
>metastases.

The best MCP is made by Thorne.
http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/5/6/573.pdf


You can purchase here (or google for your own source):
http://www.thorne.com/order_online.wss/search_display/individual_product/item_guid/29147cbe-9901-0a7d-b506-b34f56ec9c16

http://www.naturamart.com/thorne-research-fractionated-pectin-powder-5-oz.html


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14. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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   Finally, I ordered Thorne's MCP from this store:
http://www.totaldiscountvitamins.com/default.asp?CatalogID=72173&SubfolderID=76&AssocID=dealtime
that ships to Greece. I hope they are reliable.


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15. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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Dimitrisk,

Here is why I think Thorne is better:

http://www.healthiertalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=9517&sid=4066a7d08561342f6b1b14f0663c8c85

brief excerpt:
'The Georgia scientists say pectin appears to inhibit both primary tumors and metastatic progression, which is unusual:

Cancer therapy is aimed at either the primary tumor or metastatic cells. Because of the differences in the response of primary and metastatic cancers, most therapies do not address both cancer types. Pectin, a natural plant polysaccharide present in all higher plant cell walls, and thus in all fruits and vegetables and in most plant derived foods, is a compound that appears to be able to inhibit cancer metastasis and primary tumor growth in multiple types of cancer in animals.

They add that most of the published evidence for the anticancer effects of pectin used pH modified type, which is designed “to fragment pectin structure to facilitate biological effects in the systems under study. .” A possible downside to fragmenting the pectin is that this “may affect the structure of the pectin and thus its function.” FPP “was not produced by pH treatment, but rather was produced by heating CP. We therefore utilized several methods to correlate the biological function of FPP with its structure and compared FPP structure with that of PeS and CP, which were not apoptotic.”

In seeing a problem in the rationale for selecting pH MCP for use against prostate cancer, namely, that LNCaP cells do not express galectin-3, they suggest that “the apoptotic effects of pectins reported here are due to mechanisms not mediated through galectin-3.” They set about to see if heating standard citrus pectin makes it more able to induce apoptosis in LNCaP cells.

And they succeeded: “Heat modification of the CP significantly increased its apoptotic response, making HTCP as apoptotically active as FPP.”

Finally, they ran a series of chemical tests on FPP (Thorne) in search of the structure that makes it able to kill cancer cells. “Taken together the results suggest that an ester-based (or related) cross-link in pectin is important for the apoptosis inducing activity of FPP.”

“Significantly, we have been successful in generating the apoptosis-inducing capability in CP by heat treatment, a critical step in the production of FPP from the mother pectin. This supports our conclusion that a specific pectin structure and/or pectin-containing linkage is responsible for inducing apoptosis.” If this is so, then fragmenting this structure by pH modification degrades the very quality of pectin which heat-treatment enhances.'

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Supporting study:

http://glycob.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/short/17/8/805

'Commercially available fractionated pectin powder (FPP) induced apoptosis (approximately 40-fold above non-treated cells) in both cell lines as determined by the Apoptosense assay and activation of caspase-3 and its substrate, poly(ADP-ribose) polymerase. Conversely, citrus pectin (CP) and the pH-modified CP, PectaSol, had little or no apoptotic activity. '


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17. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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   Thank you for information Sandra, this is very interesting!


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19. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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   Sandra, you're great !!!
I was sure you had researched thoroughly this issue, like any other.

BTW have you look at this PH based therapy?
http://www.ldn4cancer.com/high-ph-therapy-cesium-chloride.html
My sister uses baking soda (one tea spoon twice a day) to raise PH, but I don't know if this is the best she can do. She is on vegan diet, but before baking soda supplementation, her PH was as low as 5.6 Now it is quite balanced at 6.9 to 7.3.

Using CsCl or RbCl might be a better idea, but I have to research more about it. What is your method regarding PH alkaliztion?


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12. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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Dimitrisk,

I only cut the pill so that it will dissolve more easily in the water. I still put all the pieces into 50 ml of water. Both ways work. You are just diluting with more water than I am.

Best wishes,
Sandra


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16. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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   Sandra,

LDN conflicts with what other stuff?


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20. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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>Sandra,
>
>LDN conflicts with what other stuff?

http://www.webspawner.com/users/avoidthesedrugsonldn/index.html


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18. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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   I found this article, perhaps related to this topic:

Tangerine peel 'kills cancer'

A compound extracted from tangerine peel can kill certain human cancer cells, research shows.

A team from Leicester School of Pharmacy found Salvestrol Q40 was turned into a toxic compound in cancer cells, destroying them.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6987200.stm


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21. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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I think its time to start a new thread on citrus pectin. Lets try to keep this thread to LDN.


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23. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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   Here's a good source for 10mg I've purchased from this company and they are reliable.

http://www.antiaging-systems.com/iasstore/acatalog/naltrexone.html


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24. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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>Here's a good source for 10mg I've purchased from this
>company and they are reliable.
>
>http://www.antiaging-systems.com/iasstore/acatalog/naltrexone.html

From what I've read, any dose higher than 4.5 mg has an immune depressing effect. So, even taking half of one of these pills would be too much.

Thanks for the link though - they have some really interesting stuff.


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25. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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   >From what I've read, any dose higher than 4.5 mg has an
>immune depressing effect. So, even taking half of one of
>these pills would be too much.

And this 4.5mg is the same for all people regardless of their weight?

I am in touch with Skip's pharmecy to get 4.5mg capsules fixed more professionally. They do it since LDN idea came up and should know better how to do it. 4.5mg is too small amount and so it is really important how it is released in our blood.


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26. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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From all that I've read, the dosage is either 3 mg or 4.5 mg. I guess for someone who is really tiny (like 100 pounds) the lower dose would be better. But, you could probably ask Skip Lenz that question as well.


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27. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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Video of Dr. Berkson (the MD who published the study on LDN for pancreatic cancer).

http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/_conf2007/B_Berkson.mov

Here's his study:
http://www.thedcasite.com/Library/Berkson_Rubin_pape_%20pancreatic_cancer.pdf


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28. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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More evidence for efficacy of LDN against cancer:

Cancer patient's blog:
http://www.ldn4cancer.com/myldnstory.html
Her scans:
http://www.ldn4cancer.com/medical-tests.html

Here are scans from a fellow patient (who has Stage IV Prostate Cancer) she met at one of her doctor appts:
http://www.ldn4cancer.com/case-studies/MKT/PET_080707_09_land.pdf
http://www.ldn4cancer.com/files/email_MKT_PET_080708.html
http://www.ldn4cancer.com/case-studies/MKT/PET_080707_narrative_full.pdf


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29. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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The videos of this year's LDN Conference 2008 are now posted on You Tube:

Main listing http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TropicalDawg&view=favorites


Here are Dr. Berkson's videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqRwXEnPYKk&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bpRai9S03A&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLoS_U85g0Y&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxVUimTW6sQ&feature=channel


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30. "RE: Low dose naltrexone"
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In this thread there are some references to using DLPA (DL-Phenylalanine) with LDN.
For ANYONE USING DCA, DLPA SHOULD BE AVOIDED.

See discussion on this thread:
http://www.thedcasite.com/dcaforum/DCForumID4/83.html


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